regfootball

that episode was a riot.

related C/G topic can we sue california for wasting our tax dollars?

you're still gonna have complete idiots who justify its worth every penny.

there are plenty of worldwide GM products which could support a top tier DOHC v8. Despite the excellent performance and broad application of the HF v6. Cadillacs, of course, but also Lambda top end models (acadia denali), buick (park avenue ultra) and pontiac top end models (g8 v8 dohc SWEET), and even saab. I would even say GM pickups need to get a few of these to battle hoyotha. No cadillac should have a pushrod motor. including ctsv. no buick or pontiac ought to for that matter. between the US and the world, caddy could easily justify design and build of such a device for a period of 5-7 years until it were obsolete (its shameful to carry engine designs much longer these days) either due to performance or mpg. This reeks of classic beancounting. The northstar is like 20 years old. It's time for new and current. FCS, Hyundai has a new v8. And GM can't? Sad. pitiful. Says to me people in charge don't know what they are doing. hoyotha ponies up to redo their engines all the time. they say 'i will build this v6, and this many of them, this is what we will improve, this is how many we need to break even'. Why it's so hard for GM to do it is amazing. It's like they have never built an engine. keep in mind new CAFE is political posturing, it's attempt to generate PR do goodiness by those in office now to appease the liberals who have no idea what real environmental progress is. in 5 years, they could wipe it out with one stroke of the pen.

thank certification costs......safety and crash testing, EPA testing and then another layer of crap for the United Emirate State of California. PERFECT example. They want their own standard so it costs all the rest of us more and is a hurdle to bring the car to market because of it. not to mention setting up parts and repair networks and training, information etc.

CRV is not an SUV. Its a new age accord in drag. Chick car on stilts. sad but true.

omg that pontiac is front wheel drive! No, we must make it RWD to kill sales!

well, for one, pickups are SOLID vehicles. you can buy one and know its not going to be pounded into a little pile by the roadway in 5 years, unlike a typical UJS. It can take abuse and holds up well to roads, offroad, weather and salt. you can haul things in them. I was able to haul some pavers in my aztek last year. But mano, that rear suspension was maxxed out (no pun). Trucks (real trucks, no ridgelines), you can buy stuff at homestores and carry it home. Cars and fake trucks can't. Resale. Pickups have even better true resale than even the most beloved UJS's. Buy a pickup, pay for it for 5 years and you can still find someone who will be pleased to pay you private party 60%, 65% or more what it's worth. Why, because it still has useful life left in it. Comfort, for some folks, trucks are the only vehicles that provide real width or headroom or footroom. Easier to get in and out of. So many cars like the new Malibu are downsized so that only slight people can get in and out of them and have adequate space. Also, many love the secure ride and hadling and all weather capability of trucks. I know driving through blizzards, there is not much better than Suburbans, Tahoes, etc. Safety. Who's gonna win in a crash? Cost. Scan the paper. Right now, big discounts. The greater question is why people spend 40-50k on luxury sedans when for much less they can buy pickups, with cheaper insurance, maintenance, etc. Also note because of strong resale, trucks lease cheap. And you often might buy it at lease end because its worth so much. Lux car buyers just dump and move on to the next pretentious car. Basically trucks sell because of what they can do and the tremendous value they bring. Mpg is really the only downfall of trucks aside from high center of gravity. Also, trucks are great home business deductions, for self employed, aside from the more than you think amount of folks who have trucks for commerical reasons. my dad says farm commodity prices being near double of last year, everyone is his area is out buying new trucks. One thing about farmers, if the year is good, they all go out and buy trucks, whether the one they already have is just fine or not. Let me put it to you this way. My hometown is like 200 people. But they have a chevy dealer, and they sell as many or more pickups than the nearest GM megastore 30 miles away because they sell so many trucks. they never have new cars on the lot, but always a buttload of trucks, and boy do they sell.

exactly. i prefer to call it 'ugly pile of sht' myself. Even if were made with exotic leathers and diamonds. The design is abominable. on the flip side, the uncamoed photo of the white camaro on GM's blogs page is a major thumbs up. perhaps it would be worth having one, in spite of the complete 'cabin o' crap'. that interior is going to absolutely get crucified by the press and buyers.

Just thinking, all the good Malibu PR, and folks shopping for them, and not being able to get the car due to demand and low supply....will people learn that the Aura is almost the same car and maybe go get an Aura instead?

i hated the last Liberty, but i think the new one is decently done. why are they putting a BOF truck in a car comparo? I like the grand vit a lot, except that i think it's engine could stand to be more competitive. And the available stick is a cool thing in this class.

as a ford fan, i would never want them to do anything with chrylser. i would prefer chrysler fold.

if pontiac gets the ax, then this person will never buy another GM vehicle ever again.

my sister had a beretta. that interior didn't induce vomiting. mustang looks like a luxury car in comparison. if i were an exec, and saw that interior was the result, i'd cancel the project on the spot and fire those responsible. for crying out louds, those are cheap ass malibu seats even. My God, you don't put Malibu seats in a Camaro for crying out loud.

bullsh1t. americans will rebel. even the greenies won't sacrifice that long or much

with the ugly ass interior i see in the spy photos of that camaro, i'd say it's a bonda fide threat to not sell. holy crap that is a TERRIBLE interior. design, plastics, i don't care if its preproduction. they seriously cannot be making that available for public sale. partially reminds me of a mid 90's prelude interior and also of the dump i took an hour ago. between that and cancelling the new northstar, bad GM rears its ugly head again.

yup, and the Tc is long in the tooth, plus the whole 'tuner' craze / sport compact fast and furious thing is so not hip anymore. "Scion". yeah. these are two human tragedies. these two cars don't even deserve to sell half that. I hope the Accord / Malibu and new Mazda6 eat into this tragedy. And Corolla, as big a tragedy. I bet GM would love to gobble up half that volume of those two cars alone.

no nav no sync no bluetooth not even a single mp3 aux in jack --- edge almost outsells lambda by itself...........

I was lamenting taurus sable sales but then saw that the Taurus X is up like 45-50% over the freestyle. combine those 3 and i think the chicago triplets is up nicely overall.

Edge up 5800% Freestar down 100% LMAO

http://www.cars.com/go/crp/research.jsp?se...p;revlogtype=22

kia sounds like 'chia' CH CH CH CHIA!

doh! gotta log in!

I read this in the paper today here locally, can anyone hunt down the link for Dan neil's review on the Tahoe hybrid? It's a decent read, he thinks functionally its a good vehicle but he spent more time writing about the significance of a big SUV getting the hybrid treatment.