balthazar

Some very rare data on the costs associated with retro-fitting an EV powertrain into an older vehicle. Still wildly expensive if you want something engineered as a package.

Those are some expensive taxis; i-Paces start at $70 grand, then you have to retro fit the charging hardware. Oh well- just up everyone's taxi fares AND property taxes; probably no one will notice it costs $50 to take a 4-block taxi ride. Also not sure of the statement that 'each charge provides 6-8 minutes of energy' - doesn't the pad keep charging as long as the vehicle is over it? 6-8 mins is not much of anything.

• minty '63 Cutlass 2-dr hardtop, silver/champagne color, with a jaunty red accent stripe across the grille, resting but poised in driveway (nose toward road). • minty '68 442 convertible, dark green, tan top, motoring with gusto. Both seen in rural eastern PA.

Canada... 'fanning the flames of hate, fear & xenophobia' - some guy.

It’s possible that all ‘cars’ might disappear, except for mass-volume mainstreams ones, like toyoter, mercedes and BMW. Yes

There's a '16 LTZ Turbo hatch here at Rancho Balthy. I find it a wholly competent, fun lil road rocket (138 HP). I drove the snot out of it when I picked it up in PA, was constantly going faster than I thought/intended. It's racking up the miles; currently doing about 36K per YEAR, but it is still tight. I think it's a shame to let it go.

I have a few bones to pick out of the above.

Had my house custom built in '92; about $165K plus about $15K for my 24x48 shop. Already owned the 0.9 acre land - bought it from my in-laws for $1. Paid off the mortgage in 11 years, saved about $75K in interest vs. full term. Zillow says it's $480K now.

I try not to think about paper-thin sheet metal, horribly plasticy interiors and rock-hard suspensions; all hopefully-soon obsolete trappings of 21st century vehicles.

IMO, there’s very little significant difference except -as usual- the Tesla looks bloated. (Realistically, the Model S is the only one that doesn’t.)

Right; licensed vs buying the tooling outright.

^ until it goes into production, the above is just a concept.

These reports still seem to be selling EVs by segregating purchase cost and operating costs, as if they weren’t in play, every single time, on the same physical object.

So you’re thinking that $400,000 is an AVERAGE 12-yr fuel-only cost, and some buses maybe are going thru what; $700,000 in fuel?? Were they just pouring gallons of it out on the road??

Can I redeem mine for a coffee percolator or something??

No; Jeep used it. It may have sat a couple years before Buick bought it back.

Buick sold the V6 tooling to Jeep in '67, bought it back in '74.

Why would you do that? I never take gov't figures at face value. Too much politicizing & incentivizing. Did you know Gov't considers you 'employeed' if you work 1 hour per week? $400,000 divided by $2.50 = 160,000 gallons of fuel. Even at 1 MPG (NASCAR racers get 5MPG feeding 850 HP doing 200 MPH steady), that 160,000 gallons is 13,333 gal per year and 13K miles. School buses average only 8000. That alone pushes the formula’s MPG to well under 1 MPG. Besides the obvious fact that it’s a suspiciously round number, this is merely critical thinking.

It’s a chunky lil toad.

Dats da sheet!

I got no use for the ‘73-77 A-Bodies. Maybe the only palatable on for me is the ‘77 Can Am.

^ Assumedly so on transit vs school, tho vehicle to vehicle I would imagine transit buses average higher miles annually. The $400K number, regardless of the source, is not credible. In fact, as stated, it’s literally an unbelievable figure.

Agreed; blame Hurst. The factory quarter window was well done:

Most links I googled said 8-12 specifically for school buses and (much heavier) motorhomes of the same class, but even if it was 3, that's triple the cost, or less than $90,000, NOT "$400,000". Buses would have to get 0.7 MPG to burn that much fuel. It's disingenuous.