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^ So; failure built on raging Gov't incompetence. Who could've seen it coming? Who was it here on the board that said the '2030-2035 IC bans will fall'?

I don't pay much 'engine attention' to Chevys, so I would have to look up the specs, but 283-327 are the same family. 307 I couldn't say. 307 definitely was available in the full-size Chevys, too. It's not that it was a "great" engine so they put it in the Fleetwood for a bit, it's that Cadillac would rather have an engine association with an upper Division like Olds, rather than the entry-level Division of Chevrolet. Once the Olds V8 was gone, Cadillac went right over to the 'Chevy' V8 line.

Google says there's 2 million vehicles registered in Serbia. 148/2,000,000 is a market share of 0.00007%. As a fraction, that's 7 out of 10 million. 20% of 2 million is 400,000. In order to get to 20% (or 400,000) BE's, EV sales need to grow TWENTY-SEVEN THOUSAND PERCENT over 2019's 148 vehicles. In 9 years. - - - - - Predictions, David?

• new black Bentley convertible, paralleled parked illegally with flashers on (special people). • new black Rolls sedan, driving. • late '70s dull brown hulking Ranchero, yard-parked. • fiberglass "Mini T" T-bucket hot rod, body must've been built in the '70s, rollin in traffic.

^ After the initial year ('62), all Impala SS's were V8s. In '63, that started with the 283, went thru numerous 327s, a couple of 409s and a 427. SS package has a lot of unique trim & details, also.

What the current market share?

Everything looks very similar anymore.

I thought the Malibu kinda topped out in the 150-175K range...

Go back to 2014 and it was 388K. That's nearly a 50% drop. At this rate by 2027 it'll be down to 100K accords. Meanwhile the CR-V is holding pretty steady in the mid-300K range in the same period. On a side note, I guess I didn't realize Honda pulled the plug on the Element 10 years ago now.

It really makes no sense any longer to segregate sedans & CUVs from each other- they are 90% interchangable. Especially with sedan sales falling off a cliff and CUVs replacing them.

^ There’s my baby! (the GP)

Would be really cool to get an old dealer/service building like this and tinker all day. Letter up the outside with defunct brand names; something like "Balthazar Pontiac-DeSoto".

Plus a clean circa ‘64 Chevy DeLixe trim truck and a yellow-green ‘73-74 Charger.

Stand-alone GMC dealer

David - have you seen any directly-comparable costs for lithium vs. solid state batteries (IE; same power levels)? I know solid state batteries aren't a reality yet, so likely those numbers don't exist, but 'upgrades' in tech usually cost MORE, not less... but I ask because I don't know. RE the Goldman Sachs piece, any race for substitute chemistry batteries only affects future vehicles; meanwhile the standard chemistry raw materials are needed NOW, and as BE sales inch upward; that's increased demand. I don't think the market economics of that very real scenario are arguable. That aspect is immaterial. 'Not living with old tech' is the mindset of people who camp out overnight to get the next generation smart phone on Day 1, with every generation, blowing money. It merely feeds voracious consumerism, planned obsolescence, waste & inefficiencies. You don't need it, but have been conditioned that you do (IMO).

^ I disagree; when someone says the price of X BEV is ‘too high’ and the response is that a $15K cheaper IC “equivalent” sedan is also expensive, that IMO absolutely dismisses the initial statement. If money were no object, most big sedans could just be cancelled and let the S-class pick every buyer up. Obviously there are buyers for BE’s, and that market share is slowly creeping up, but also obviously; going to a 100% BE industry is going to push many buyers out of the market. Waitin on my new GMC to be built, and it’s stupid expensive, but a Rivian is 50% more with NO OPTIONS. I would not be willing to pay that tag. Now picture folks struggling to swing a $30K mid-sizer and staring (potentially) at a $40K+ EV variant. Price disparity is everything.

^ Yeah; I can’t help but sneer when I type the word ‘analyst’, but some folk place a lot of stock in them. Just relaying the info. But no one is saying new vehicles generally aren’t expensive; it’s the cost disparity being highlighted here.

Goldman Sachs (via CNBC) reported yesterday that increased production of battery electrics will see a rise in core materials due to demand. Electric vehicle makers should brace for about an 18% increase in the cost of the battery packs. GS analysts stated that a return to historical peak prices would more than double the cost of lithium, double the cost of cobalt, and raise the cost of nickel by 60%. In a BE vehicle where 30% of the cost of the car is the batteries, a -for example- $50,000 Tesla Model 3's sticker would rise to about $52,700.

Logic, the data set / trajectories and human nature do not support that completely random end date. Plus, I'm not religious.

Uh-huh, OK.

Maybe... but like the tiny house 'revolution' and BE vehicles in 2020... the vast majority of consumers won't be interested. What did I use to call it here......... AH-HA!!! [note the date!] Still ain't happenin'.