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^ That's certainly tertiary compared to the experiences and impressions the actual vehicle owners relayed.

As 1 of the top 4 auto corporations by sales, I think toyoter is actually being the most realistic about the near future market. No mass market OEM is going to be 100% electric by 2030, sales are still catastrophically low overall, and toyoter's pace (WRT the reported 2025 BE models) is fine, time-wise, to enter the so-called "party".

I don't think people who laid down six figures / "love" their battery electric car are 'clearly ICE / biased". ? While they certainly should have charged at home overnight, their experience on the road attempting to charge is neither incompetence or a lack of research.

Things can get better for YEARS & YEARS before they even approach "good".

Renault engine there, right?

Update today- have an order # finally, plus a scheduled build week of 3/29-4/4. It’s supposedly a lock to get built. Current restrains are running boards (mine doesn’t have ‘em), and the molded floor liners- but they’ll built it without those. Dealer manager says probably be here last week of April.

YOU WANNA GO?!?

Steelies, not aluminum. Wonder why it's riding so high?

Or not at all. ?

Tri-P intake prepped for paint.

Again the common thought that electrical devices are far more reliable gets a reality check. I also note that it Tesla didn't keep their chargers proprietary, thusly 'helping the industry go electric', hours could've been sliced off their ordeal. “We ran through the entire gamut of emotions in those nine hours – resignation, range anxiety, annoyance and disbelief that this was happening..." https://www.theguardian.com/money/2020/nov/28/electric-cars-porsche-charging-network

It's also a FOOT longer than the Rivian. ?

Again??

Correct, hence:

F-150s don’t have ignition keys.

10-4. - - - - - There was probably less than 3% cross-corporate commonality going on in the auto industry 50+ years ago (circa 1965) ... and most of that was in the HD truck industry (where independent engine builders such as Continental & Hercules supplied multiple makes). And the rare exception examples in the car arena weren't long-lasting or between more than 2 players ('52 Henry J / Sears Allstate, Pontiac using a Ford 3-spd manual gearbox in '65). I'd say there wasn't even 10% commonality within GM full-size cars circa '65. Some folk can stretch that as an example of 'the beginning of homogenization' but it doesn't ring remotely factual, IMO. My focus here is inter-corporate commonality.

I personally don't have strict brand loyalty, other than buying American-company product. I've had Fords, MoPars, but more GM than anything (and more Pontiacs than any other brand). But I believe what ocnblu is referencing is how mass homogenization may dissolve whatever brand preferences are out there now. I can see that among those buyers who have strong preferences. There ARE hardcore Ford guys, Chevy guys, bimmer owners, etc. What I don't have any grasp on is what percent of the consumer pool that may be, but I imagine it's pretty low (10%?). I've never met anyone/ seen online where someone has stayed -say- 75% or higher with only one brand.

A vehicle costing $15K in 2010 would cost (with annual added inflation increases); $18096 in 2019.

I will agree to disagree ; we are NOT "saying the same thing, differently". Perhaps I am not making my interpretation clear, because the manner in which you are describing this scenario is not what's in my mind.

Chatted briefly with my mail carrier today. Asked her how many miles it had on it but they only have 5-digit odometers (this one said 46K but we agreed that it was much more likely to be at least 246K). She was definitely interested to get a more comfortable truck with A/C, but other than being RHD, she didn't mention anything about 'wants'.

No, my friend; same identity. Field was far too wide 80 years ago., both in number of marques and the range of differences between them (American Bantum > Duesenberg). There was no element of homogenization then like you are claiming. When GM was actively buying, there were hundreds of brands, not merely 7 (Chevy, GMC, Buick, Cadillac, Ford, Lincoln, Testa). If -say- GM were to buy honda, then stick GM platforms under Honda-branded vehicles, that's -again- the same corporation. Once GM bought Elmore or CarterCar, that was within the same corporation (tho it never stuck another chassis under either). Can't make going back 80 stick. And for the record, feel free to comb thru my 38K posts; I guarantee you 'll find me sincerely lamenting the demise of the American brands as they occured. I distinctly remember mourning Plymouth.

Your Ram example is non-applicable to my statement (since you are addressing my statement). It's 1 vehicle line with a number of variants, built by 1 corporation. No one (including me) has an ounce of issue with that. However, in a scenario (because my statement was a rhetorical scenario) where Ram, Chevy, GMC, Ford, nissan & toyoter all rode the same platform with an indistinguishably similar power output. Might as well merge all those brands into a new "Truck" brand- because there's no competing anymore.

Pancakes are transported most securely on a plate when stacked flat, as opposed to on edge.