Cory Wolfe

:blink: We do, though... but I think I'd just have anybody come around to my place... *sigh* I'm lonely and you-know-what... Anyways, let's focus on the only Saturn I'd make an effort to buy, people. :D

Well... I could pay for the car but not the insurance. Atleast not at the moment. They pay it, but its like minimum coverage at only $500 or so a year for the GA. That and, IDK... I'm not the best kid as I usually never listen to them, but I'm just a certain way about certain things. Ya know? This is just where I tend to listen... IDK, maybe I'm just afraid. :unsure:

Yeah... some drivers just suck. A semi-friend of mine has a Mini Cooper. He doesn't drive it to school. He has a beater... a 94 Grand Am SE sedan (yes, the one with the GT bumper, school stickers on the windows, and a dent in the side-rear that once had a dead porcupine strapped to the hood that I talked about). I kind of understood why, but it never really became appearant to me until someone backed into him.

Well, atleast if you could afford it, you'd be able to get it. Me... I want a Fiero. I can afford a Fiero (well, used to before I blew my money on the GA and a bunch of useless crap). I can't get a Fiero. There is this undefeatable force commonly known as my parents. <_< :D

Damn teens... they can't drive worth shi... Wait.. :unsure: Nevermind. :rolleyes: :lol: :D

Okay... it's Saturday with approx 30 minutes left... So when are we going to see it, damnit?!?!?!?

If you start lovin' it, sure... we can meet up and spice things up.. :AH-HA_wink: :rotflmao:

No love? :P

Power brakes too... Those were disabled/disconnected/whatever-ed at a different time. I didn't go far without 'em. It was almost impossible to stop... probably because of the discs up front (that's what I think atleast... I mean, cars use to come without power brakes with all drums). That and my lack of good rear drum brakes... they barely work.

:bowdown: :omfg: Wow, just wow. It looks awesome in the first pic... but damn, I still can't believe a supercharger or turbocharger is also available. I want one... bad.

Sorry to hear about that, Fly. Anyways, manual steering is fun. My dad had to have it disconnected (or whatever he did...) while he was working on it recently. I drove it between the two times he worked on it. He said it was fine to drive... It was, but damn, you literally have to force it around turns. It was alot tougher than I expected... but fun. :D Anyways part II, my day was alright. I bought some bright new fog lights to replace my burnt out ones. Silverstar, I think, costing me $18 each. Yeah... expensive, but they bright and they're white. Just like I want them to be. A bitch to replace, though, since there was this stupid make-shift... mud flap? I guess? protecting them. Ridiculous. My stupid malfunctioning headlight stalk is still being a bitch too... Anyways part III, I seen alot of interesting cars today as I went to Clarion... more on that in the Car Spotting thread...

What the hell? Where is everybody? It's so freakin' boring here... :blink: :D Anyways, to cure my boredom, here is what I think is the best Saturn eveeeer.... The 95-96 SC2! :P

Why don't you buy my poor ass a new PC so I can.

Well, I've made it clear before that unless it's posted, I don't read it (and in the case of spy pics; don't see them). C&G is about as much as my PC can handle... Most other sites that have ads-galore and a bunch of other crap to load just f**k it up beyond belief. Not to mention, links themselves f**k it up. So... I base what I say on what other people say. Usually I can gather the majority of what the article is about unless other people are talking BS. Sorry. So, if you guys would post the freakin' article, we wouldn't have this problem. Anyways, if that's all that is going to be cut... why was this article even posted in the first place? And what's with "Blames soft sales on lack of incentives"? That makes it look like they much more than that. Seems redundant to me, now... Whoever starting this thread; care to explain? <_< :rolleyes:

Interesting... So, is this just for the press or will it be open to public? If so... NOS, you better slip your parents some drugs or something to lend me a home for the weekend... :D

I figured it would... I mean, I try but my grades just keep going down and down. Being in this, what seems neverending, depression and skipping almost two weeks worth of school when I basically hit rock-bottom ...You guys just never gave me what I wanted. You told me not to do this or that or whatever when I wanted advice, not where to go for advice since I'm been more personal with you guys than anyone else. You all probably know me better than my own Parents. Anyways, getting off topic... but all that hasn't helped at all. With me or my grades. I'm currently recovering and I feel better and am really trying to get my grades up. I just fear that I never will get them back up and I won't be able to get into any colleges and end up following in the path of my parents and always being poor...

Damn... I don't know what to tell you, Sixty8. I just hope things get better for you.

Yeah... I was talking about the TB SS, not the regular TB. The Envoy looks better than the regular TB...

Wow... It is like a war in here... Anywho... My biggest problem with the Ridgeline is it's styling inside and out. If it weren't ugly as hell, it'd be a pretty cool semi-innovative truck. Another problem I have with it is Honda's arrogance of it. Just watch its commercials and such... its blatantly obvious they think its perfect and super-innovative. Because its a Honda. Some of you guys are missing the point, though. I keep hearing "Honda only expected it sell this many, it's pretty much meeting that" and such. Well, the fact is that Honda has cut production as if it expected to sell more in the first place. Ever think that maybe, just maybe, Honda set intentionally low expectations so they could recieve fabulous reviews about how it shattered them... since Honda is so arrogant and probably expected it to.... and now it's coming back and biting them in the ass. Did you guys ever even think about that? Seriously... if they only expected to sell as many as they have, they wouldn't have had to cut production... would they?

Now my dealer finally got a Torrent... Anyways, my sights include a ZR1 Vette, sweet sounding Z34 Lumina coupe, and white 96-98 Grand Am GT coupe for sale for only $2500.

Congrats, NOS! :D Anyways, I hope Art/Design schools focus more on ability for art than GPAs and crap like that. Otherwise, I'm royally f**ked...

I'm not suggesting a return to what you call "tacky". I just want to see some excitement, which the G6 doesn't have much of. It has potential as I've said in the past. My suggestions: replace the ugly black-plastic ground effects with some flared body-color ones for GT/GTP, make dual tipped exhaust standard for GT, add sportier lower grills with non-projector foglights, remove the body-side rub strips, paint new sportier mirrors body-color, black out chrome along beltline and around grill, whole new rear fascia lifted straight from the concept for sedan, lower curvier beltline and whole new rear for coupe, tinted taillight lenses, bumper mounted reverse lights, larger rear spoiler for GT/GTP, replace all wheels except GTP's with more athletic looking ones, and finally replace the hideous center stack and center console. :D Anyways, there is a difference between clean and bland. I hope you realize that. I'm all for clean designs, but not bland. I will, however, take a bland design over an ugly design. Bland and ugly is even worse.... The coupe isn't that, but its bordering on it. Yes... I hardly see any vehicles that way. I do, however, go to those things called "car shows" when I can. Brookville hosts a few every year where they close down Main Street. Personally, I just see it as a sportier Camaro. Kind of like most Pontiacs and they're Chevrolet siblings from that era. I mean, they're not rebadges by any means, but it is so blatantly obvious that they're related. I'm not a fan of that as I like designs to be 100% unique. But it seems the General is doing it more now than when they were called-out for it. Back to the Firebird... the 4th gen was more original with less parts shared with the Camaro. Yeah... I've seen it before as well as the prototype photos. There are certain aspects of it I hate, but overall it's a better attempt than the G6 as it doesn't look watered-down and bland. Mainly its that droopy ass...

Um... the Trailblazer looks better. So does the old GC. I could care less which is better off-road, though...

Blah... they can't zoom in too be able to tell what anything is for my aera...

[quote name='ocnblu' date='Nov 4 2005, 06:01 AM']How can I say this without sounding mean.  You're too damn young to remember when Pontiacs looked good.  There ya go.  I had to say it.  The new G6 is a return to design purity that once made Pontiac great, you know, when they were the third best selling brand in the USA?  The only really goodlooking Pontiacs in your lifetime, imo, have been the '97 GP and the '00 base model Bonneville.  Nice, clean designs that still managed to fully communicate what a Pontiac should be (except maybe for the FWD chassis, but that's not Pontiac's fault.) [post="38509"][/post] [/quote] I'll use quotes to reply to you... [quote name='Croc' date='Nov 4 2005, 07:19 AM']:blink:  :blink: G6 isn't design purity...it is design austerity.  The exterior is completely bland not because it lacks the "fork marks" down the sides, but because there is hardly ANY detailing on the exterior.  No surface interest.  The taillamps are flat as can be as they lack a jeweled effect.  Granted there is a rub strip and the hood has a couple character lines on it, but the rest of the car just lacks real body lines and anything to hold any interest.[/quote] Exactly. The Solstice is design purity. The Firehawk was design purity. The Fiero was design purity. Hell, even the 97-03 Grand Prix was design Purity. The G6 is just bland. Nothing else. I've tried my hardest to look past that. I really have... it's a good looking car and all (in sedan form that is), but there's hardly any excitement. Remove the twin-port grill and I garantee it could be just about anything, even a Toyota. It's the same with the coupe, except it borders on ugly. It's like someone tried to mix American and Japanese design together while keeping it more watered-down than each. And as with the sedan, remove the grill and it could be anything. The Pontiac styling cues I've grown to love are all gone. And no, I'm not talking about cladding. Cladding is bad, it always was and I never liked it. [quote]As far as telling BV he's too young to remember when Pontiacs looked good, first of all "good" is extremely subjective.  What appeals to a 17 year old is different than a 40-something year old.  You shouldn't put down his tastes just because they are different than yours.[/quote] Bingo... what looks good to a true Pontiac fanatic and what looks to good to someone who currently owns a Colorado and previously owned a Beetle (Sorry, I just had to throw that in here. No offense...) are going to be entirely different. Now for my next reply... [quote name='z28luvr01' date='Nov 4 2005, 09:47 AM']I see where ocn is coming from. I don't think he meant any harm against BV. He was born during the time when Pontiac was giving all their cars the in-your-face boy racer treatment. I think some exposure to pre-1985 Pontiacs is probably essential to understand why some of us like the G6 as much as we do. Based on what he's said about his hometown, he might not get that exposure too often. This might be a good book for him to start with.[/quote] You act like I don't know what pre-88 Pontiacs looked like.... :blink: :rolleyes: Come on, stop fooling yourselves. I've seen most significant Pontiacs from the past at classic cars shows or by occasion. If I haven't seen it in person, I've seen it on the internet or in a book. I love to study history and especially Pontiac's. Therefore, I think I know Pontiacs from 50s, 60s, and 70s look like. Uh... duh! [quote]The G6 marks the abandonment of that design philosophy for a return to the 60s-era philosphy of simple clean shapes. Perhaps the reason why the G6 looks odd to some is that it was originally designed to have side strakes, sqinty cat's eye hedlights, etc before Lutz came in and made his changes (Remember that drawing of the red G6 that Cspec posted a while back that was in the G6 brochure?) I still think the G6 we got is a good car that is a few minor detail changes away from being great. [post="38534"][/post] [/quote] No, it's the watering down of Lutz... not a return to 60s-era design philosophy. Anyways Ocnblu... I don't have sales figures for foreign makes, trucks, nor post 1995 ones for anything, but regardless Ford and Chevy always outsold Pontiac. The only American brands to outsell Pontiac in the late 80s and early 90s was Ford and Chevy. I'd also like to point out that back when Pontiac was third in the 60s, it didn't have much foreign competition like it has since the 80s. So, what's your point? Really? Finally, again I have to point out that you are not a true Pontiac fanatic. No offense meant, of course. You just aren't and my motto is that only true Pontiac fans know what Pontiac needs. You've probably heard it before and now you're hearing it again. Is the G6 what Pontiac needs? No. Was the past Grand Am what Pontiac needed? Not quite, but atleast it was full of aggressive, attitude, and excitement. It had its own soul; it was unique, it wasn't bland. Just like Pontiacs of the past... the big difference being that it achieved it in a different way. But, regardless of the excessive plastic and such it was as true a Pontiac as the General would let Pontiac have. The G6, I think not. You are just too busy looking at the lack of cladding, ground effects, a spoiler and that it has the signature twin-port grill. You overlook the rest just because your so glad that those things are absent on a Pontiac. That's it, IMO. [quote name='Croc' date='Nov 4 2005, 12:05 PM']No, the G6 doesn't look odd because it is missing any of those elements; it is just that the production version is so half-baked.  The concept was great.  GM costcutting just got in the way.  The real reason so many of you like the G6 is that, yes, the design is cleaner (a good thing), but mainly that all the obvious cost-cutting doesn't bother you.  It bothers a great deal of people though.  I will go so far to say the G6 interior is currently the WORST GM interior on the market.  The materials are just so subpar...it's like the car is telling you "this is what you get if you cannot afford a 9-3"! The G6 really was a missed opportunity.  The exterior styling is more attractive than the Malibu...but the cheapo taillamps (really...even the 'bu has jeweled ones!), the very cheapo interior with its ONE piece of alumiplastic.....I mean just wow.  The concept was so nice too. [post="38575"][/post] [/quote] Okay... I think that's taking it too far. The little difference between the concept and production is hardly feasible. I don't get why this isn't obvious. The only real changes to the exterior were: toned done wheel flares, smaller wheel watered down wheels, more upright rear fascia, more useful greenhouse, bigger mirrors, added rub strip, black lower intakes and a smaller less tacky grill. Oooh... Wow.... So different! Frankly, the concept isn't much better than the The interior, however, barely even looks similar. A very bad thing, of course. But to say that its the worst interior on the market?!?!?!?!? Please tell me you're kidding. It's better than atleast half of the vehicle's GM sells including just about every SUV and pickup and alot of cars. Material wise, the interior isn't that bad not that the center-stack is done in the same material as the rest of the dash, which is better the Malibu, Impala, etc... Design wise, the only real problem is the the overall lack of metal trim as well as the center stack and center console. Fix those and you have a winner, IMO.