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Sticking with the formula that works, looks similar to the current car. The interior is nice step up from the current car, nothing here is a surprise since the C300 has the same powertrain and interior. I think interesting is the C43 since it has a 402 hp turbo 4 that is hand built, air suspension, multi-clutch transmission and 4 wheel steering. That car is a lot more serious than the old C43 which is basically a C-class with the old E-class V6. So the GLC43 should be a really solid performer too. Not to mention the C63/GLC63 that are getting 660 hp, that blows away anything in this segment.

Agreed that they won’t make it. I suspect after 2025 the only car at GM will be the Corvette. Every ICE car they have is dead after this generation, maybe they will do a Cadillac electric sedan.

How many vehicles with a base price of $130k or more sell better? 2020-21 G-wagons are going for $200k on the used market right now. Demand is huge for it and Magna Steyr doesn’t have enough capacity to match the demand. The G-class waiting list is over 2 years long right now.

They should offer a solar panel as that roof rack since this thing will probably drain electricity and could be good for those off the grid types. This will sell like hot cakes as all G-wagens do. I think there is a 2 year wait for a gas G-wagen right now, this will have a long wait list too.

The Camry, Accord and Altima have global sales too, they will probably be around forever. I think the small sedans may stick better since there aren't really many SUV's at the $20k price point. It seems though that car companies just want to build high end models, and they can all go down that road, but someone won't and will get all the entry level market. The one thing that might bring sedans, or cars is EV's. Because the range on these boxy SUVs will be bad, so you might see more sedans, or stuff like the Kia EV6 or even Model Y which are more like tall cars with the bar of soap shape

Well I guess they could just call them G80 Electric, GV80 Electric, etc.

The GV60 is priced like the Lyric but is full size class (or 2) lower and has less range and horsepower. I think Genesis does a nice job with interiors, but they aren't Mercedes or Audi-level, so the Cadillac seems like the better deal between the 2. The GV60's size and shape seems aimed at the Model Y, although it is even smaller than the Model Y, and it doesn't have the Tesla mystique. I don't really see where the GV60 is a good deal long term, maybe year one it does well, but once the market floods with other electric crossovers, the GV60 could get forgotten. Genesis also backed themselves into a corner with their naming scheme, they have GV 60, 70, 80, 90. So what happens when they make a larger electric SUV? Is that a GV75? or a GV80-EV?

I think this is priced pretty well, and the AWD is barely an increase. Although we don't know how big the options list or how much that price may go up, but this looks competitively priced.

The turbo 4 has more torque than the 5.3 V8 so my guess is that V8 isn’t around much longer. Much like that Wagoneer V8 I think will be gone soon because the in-line 6 makes more power. All these V8s are probably dead by 2025.

Yes, the Hybrid Tundra has a big power advantage. But even the SR5 Tundra at $43k is 389 hp/479 lb-ft, you are mostly looking at Turbo 4 at GM, maybe the 5.3 V8 or Pentastar V6 at Ram or 2.7 Ecoboost at Ford at that price. Toyota kind of beats them all on powertrain now, plus it is based on the Lexus LS500 powertrain, so we know that engine/transmission has to be smoother and more refined than any other truck. GM sees spending money on hybrids as a waste of R&D, Mark Ruess said they want to put everything into EV. So I would imagine if you can still buy a gasoline Silverado in 2032, the 2.7 turbo 4 and 6.2 V8 will still be there.

I watched Mark Ruess on Outline the other day, he said if he got $1 for R&D, he is going to spend the whole dollar on EV's. So the ICE powertrains they have now are it until they are gone. Which is a good move if people adopt EV's quickly, bad move if people don't buy EV's and keep buying ICE cars.

Because the segment classification is C-segment, and E-class is Executive segment. And S-class is Sonder-klass.

3 mechanical locking diffs would be better, but for what these will probably be used for the off road stuff they put in them will probably suffice. These engines are getting dated, the Jeep inline six is 420 or 510 hp, I have to imagine that ends up in the Ram next year as the Hemi’s days are numbered. The Tundra hybrid has a big power advantage over the GM 6.2 liter as well. I don’t know if GM plans to do anything with these powertrains or just let them die on the vine and put 100% of what they have into EV’s.

This car looks better then the EQS and it is more aerodynamic so you can have style and aero both. I think this is a great engineering exercise and this tech will be a nice upgrade over anything in the market now. Question is how commercially viable is this stuff, anything from an F1 car is expensive as hell, carbon fiber is expensive. This is probably like a $250,000 C-class EV, but I think this car styling wise will lead to the EQ c-class.

So what does a Cadillac CT5 or Camaro do? What are they supposed to do with the drive axel in a rear drive car?

Maybe the OEMs will catch up. But Tesla sold 110,000 cars in the USA in Q1, Ford sold 6,700 Mach-E's, Kia 5,281 EV6 and Hyundai 2700 Ionic 5, VW with 2755 id4's. They aren't really threatening Tesla at all. Although I think for Tesla to hit 20% share, they can't have their cheapest Crossover be $64,000 and their base model a $48,000 rear drive sedan, because the snow belt will want AWD, and an AWD Model 3 is like $55k. They will have to come out with an entry level model to get market share.

Elon Musk said 20% market share is Tesla's target. Considering they have 2% market share now, that is 18% they have to steal from someone else. Some of these OEMs might merge or join forces out of need for survival.

Compared to this sea of monotone GM plastic, the BMW was better, although I am sure a 5-series cost more.

It isn't as good as an E-class of the era, W124 or W210, but was still better built than a Buick and it had real wood trim, not plastic wood like a 90s Park Ave. I am not saying the 1995 5-series was anything great, the E39 made improvements all around, but Cadillac, Lincoln and Lexus all abandoned what they used to do to chase the E39, the G35 arrived to battle the 3-series. That justified the BMW as the benchmark car and in part caused the market shift. And then they all gave up and went on to make front wheel drive crossovers and "American Luxury" basically died in the process, except in the Escalade which is big and plush and tacky/gawdy, in the vein of a 60-70s Cadillac and that is the only American luxury car that sells.

I think body style/vehicle type and size is where you start, then price point for comparisons. The Honda Accord and E-class are the same size, but not competitors due to price. I wouldn’t say the A4 and Riviera were competition as one is 2 door and they almost 2 feet in length apart. As far as the BMW goes, it was built with quality where as the Riviera for example had acres of GM plastic in it. And the BMW could handle. In actuality, it is Cadillac, Infiniti, Lexus, Jaguar and maybe some others that made BMW and Mercedes the bench mark. Mercedes and BMW haven’t really changed in 40 years other than it is SUVs instead of sedans and sedans instead of coupes. It is cars like the Gen 1 CTS, Lincoln LS, Infiniti G37, Lexus GS300, etc that made BMW the benchmark because they were telling consumers a BMW-like car is what luxury is, and now all those cars are gone because people just kept buying BMWs.

I think that would have to be a merger as GM isn’t big enough or cash rich enough to buy Honda or a large stake. And I doubt the culture of the two would work so probably wouldn’t be a great merger. Although some of these car companies may merge just to survive Tesla and the Chinese brands once they start exporting.

It's a good idea to try to team up and share cost, most car companies do something like that. The market needs EVs that aren't $50 or $100k, but I still wonder when we'll see "affordable" EV's as the battery cost is still around $100 per kWh or maybe a little more.

Toyotas run forever, I am sure the Corolla GR will be reliable.

They aren't stealing from Tesla, Tesla had it's best year ever in 2021, Q1 of 2022 was better than last year. Currently their sales are still climbing. And yes Toyota and the others will move customers from gas to EV. Suppose Toyota sells 10% of their total volume in EVs, that is over 900,000 EVs. They aren't going to do that this year, but what if they are at 10% in 2025 and 30% in 2030, then were are talking like 3 million EV's a year, and if they are all EV in 2040, we are talking about 10 million EV's. I don't know if Tesla becomes a 10 million unit per year car company, maybe they do, but when everyone has EV's, Tesla's novelty will wear off some.

Probably because a Corolla hybrid is $23,750 starting price and gets 52 mpg, it is looks better, is probably roomier, sort of makes the Prius pointless. And they have that 300 hp Corolla coming, that will add some spice to the line up.