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I am just saying a turbo 4 especially is electrified in some way offers plenty of performance. Obviously not as much as a V8 turbo, but let’s look at regular V6’s like the 300ish hp 3.5 liter Honda and Toyota V6, the 3.6 GM V6, those don’t even beat most turbo 4’s in torque.

Except an AMG CLA45 is faster around Virginia International Raceway than a Supra 3.0, ATS-V, Gulia Quadrafoglio, Panamera Turbo and Challenger Hellcat Widebody. (Tied with a C6 Z06) Although 20/29 mpg isn’t that good, the 48 volt I-6 Mercedes get around 22/30, but the CLA doesn’t have a mild hybrid system yet, the new C-class does, so we’ll have to see those mpg numbers, plus I think that dual clutch transmission on the CLA isn’t good on gas like the 9 speed torque converter automatic.

The CT5 and XT5 have a 4-cylinder too, but if you mean a 6 cylinder CT5 is 4-cylinder E-class money, that's a valid comparison. But also the C43, GLC43, SL43, etc are getting a 390 hp 4-cylinder, the C63/E63 a 640 hp 4-cylinder hybrid, so you are going to get what used to be V8 power with high gas mileage, which given the likelihood of $5 a gallon gas, that is going to look appealing.

It isn't being dumped, here is the 2022 C-class, and the 2023 E-class spy shots look fairly similar. This look isn't going anywhere, also this car looks way better than the current C-class, which I think looks worse than the 2008-2013 model.

I don't think they want the EV to look the same as the gas car, although I would have preferred the electric cars look more like the existing design language. Also I won't be surprised if other brands start copying the EQS styling language.

So VW is going to throw away brand equity in names like Tiguan, Jetta and Passat, for id3, id2, and id5? Makes no sense. Kia if they throw out names like Sorrento and Telluride (although new) for EV5 and EV9 is another bad move. Imagine Chevy throwing out Silverado and Corvette because the new EV naming structure is CE1, CE2, CE3, etc, awful. The Mercedes plan is to make an electric equivalent of every one of their gas models. GM basically has the same plan forming, EV Silverado, Equinox, the Bolt is basically EV Trax/Trailblazer, EV Corvette (eventually), the Lyric is basically EV version of XT6, and so on. These plans make sense because they are just going to map their current line and current names and make them electric, so they can retain current customers. Not sure which Tiguan buyer is trading their car in to spend $15k extra on an id4 which they never heard of.

Daimler(last year, now called Mercedes-Benz) has 2 car brands, Smart and Mercedes, plus the commercial trucks that would have been in last year's revenue. And Volkswagen has VW, Audi, Seat, Skoda, Porsche, Lamborghini, Bentley, Bugatti, Ducati, Scania and Man. I did find Mercedes Car and Vans revenue for 2021 was $119.8 Billion, and Mercedes-Benz Mobility (the finance and insurance arm) made $30.5 Billion. So $150.3 billion combined, still makes them #5 on that list without Daimler Trucks and if you put Stellantis in there. Tesla since they aren't on there was $53 billion. Heck is Mercedes has a strong year they might beat Ford. And I don't expect their 1 car brand to out-revenue the 14 combined brands over at Stellantis or VW.

But the rest of the VW lineup is Taos, Tiguan, Atlas, Jetta, Passat, etc. Why does 1 brand have two naming schemes? Same can be said about Cadillac. And likewise with Kia and the K5, Telluride, EV6. Pick a freaking naming scheme and also calling cars EV1, EV2, EV3, EV4, etc is lazy. Probably why VW Group global sales in 2021 were at a 10 year low, not a competitive line up. And Mercedes names before you go there mean something as C is for C-segment, E is executive segment, S is sonder-klase, or special class, Geländewagen means all terrain, etc.

Having sat in both EQS and S-class, the S-class has a better interior, and the dash/cowl on the EQS is rather high, I don't know why it is higher. But keep in mind the S-class interior beats anything outside of Rolls-Royce or Bentley. The EQS still has the best interior of any EV on sale now, and fit and finish quality as noted by the article, which Tesla does not have. I would take the S580 all day long over the EQS580, but I would also take the S580 over any EV. All these EV's are over priced, most $10-20k more than a similar vehicle form the same brand, at least the EQS costs the same as the similar gasoline model.

But VW doesn’t make a car called the 4, ani I think they have iD 3,5,6, whatever coming. Not an iD Jetta or iD Passat. I don’t like the EQE styling, the E-class looks better. But I don’t see another EV that’s better than EQE or EQS except maybe the Taycan, because Teslas and other EV’s don’t have very good interiors and even Tesla doesn’t have Mercedes’s tech or self drive capabilities.

A Mercedes interior blows away anything Ford, Tesla or Polestar have. 4 wheel steer which Tesla doesn’t have, a rear drive entry model which Tesla Model S doesn’t have, Mercedes has applied for US authorization for level 3 self driving, which no one else has. The EQE will do just fine, they have EQ-GLE and GLS coming next year, EQB on sale in the USA this year, Maybach EQS and EQ-GLS coming next year, EQ G-class maybe next year. They will have more EV’s than Tesla.

But all other VW’s have a word name, except maybe GTI, but that is just short for Golf GTI. The iD4 doesn’t match VW’s naming system and it’s worse car than the Kia, Hyundai or Mach E. Just like their other SUVs are no match for the Asian SUVs. Mercedes electric cars are the same naming scheme as gas cars, just with EQ in front.

The EQE53 does 149 mph, 155 mph on the AMG EQS. So the performance is there, both those cars have 0-60's in the 3's and both are "53" models, which means there must be a "63" model coming with more. Not impressed with the iD4, bad name, bad car. And the Tiguan and Taos aren't that competitive either, VW's whole lineup isn't competitive with rivals outside of the GTI, which has so few rivals. Compare an Atlas to a Highlander or Telluride, that's a joke, Tiguan vs Rav4 or CR-V, not even close.

I must have missed the part where a $42k including (destination) compact crossover with 201 hp and 2 wheel drive, weighing 4,568 lbs with a top speed of 99 mph, 4 exterior paint colors and 1 interior color choice is "well reviewed." That sounds like an awful car.

Oh right, I forgot it is the iD4 platform, which is another bad car.

The Audi E-trong GT wheelbase is about that of an Acura MDX, the overall length 2 inches shorter. The EQS wheelbase is 6 inches longer than an Escalade's, there isn't really another EV that size, outside of the full size pick ups. So this EQE is really what to compare to the Audi, Porsche and Tesla sedans, which are more in the mid-size category.

This is Audi's EQE competitor, granted they have a dual motor base, so it is comparable to the EQE43 in in terms of power, but they are the same size. Those battery converted Q4's and Q5's that Audi is selling are no match for an EQE (or the coming SUV version).

$99k Tesla interior: The reviews of the EQS say it has the best ride quality on market, it also turns tighter than a Mini Cooper and most reviewers say the tech is better than Tesla. You are still getting a lot for the price. And right now the EQS is the largest and most luxurious EV on the market. Here is the e-tron GT, which also starts over $100k, yet is only EQE size I don't see those 2 as any big threat, especially when the EQE is their size, yet not their price.

The small screen is standard on the EQS450, the Hyperscreen is optional on the 450, I think standard on the 550. Hyperscreen is optional on EQE.

They aren't Daimler anymore, they renamed the company Mercedes-Benz( and Daimler Truck was spun off to its own company). And rumor is the current S-class is the last with an ICE powertrain, so these sedans will start to merge to one product, maybe the E and C go another generation into the 2030s. I don't think the EQE will outsell the E-class, nor will the EQS outsell the S-class, so when the time comes, I can't see this 1 Bow design language winning.

Come 2028 or so the S-class will go electric, so there won't be a need for an EQS, so at that point I hope they drop this styling language in favor of their traditional styling. And then so on with the E-class, C-class, etc.

Fixed the styling in photo shop.

The EQE43 I believe isn't coming to the USA, so maybe the dual motor will be an EQE450 or something, I am surprised they even did an AMG43, that seems pointless when you could do the 350 rear drive, a 450 all wheel drive like pretty much every current Mercedes now. Also I have to imagine an AMG 63 is coming, otherwise why name the 600 hp car the EQE53. Having seen the EQS in person, it doesn't look as bad in person, although it doesn't look as good as the E-class or S-class, their gas cars look better than these electric ones. Curious to see how the EQE is priced, maybe that EQE53 will be priced around $90k like an E53 is (with options on it) and that will undercut the Tesla Model S by $5k as well, which this car is about Model S size, and looks more luxurious and better built.

They are selling the most luxurious, highest tech EV available. And plenty more coming. Plus the EQS isn't double the price of an S-class, like how the EV6 is double the price of a Sportage of which is of similar size.

Priced similar to a Ford Mustang Mach-E or VW iD4, but those don't sell too well, so I don't think this K - backwards N vehicle will do any better. $51k for the 225 hp, rear drive GT line, that is more than an all wheel drive BMW X3 or Mercedes GLC300, each of which have more power and aren't a Kia.