Camino LS6

If I had my choice, it would be a '71. But I've always had a thing for these - such an unabashed, in-your-face, Big-ass coupe full of attitude.

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Yeah, but what I'm interested in is what made him laugh.

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I say no because of cost and complexity. A TTV6 works for the ATS, but offers little advantage in Camaro. It won't reduce fuel consumption in any appreciable way, yet will cost more to build than a V8. There really isn't much to gain there. At Chevy prices, you get more bang for the buck with a V8. I could see a juiced-up 4 being the base engine though.

I do doubt that we'll see a TTV6 in the Alpha Camaro though.

Olds: A TTV6 is going to require heftier chassis bits than a 4, so I suspect it will share the LS upgrades. That, and the fact that a TTV6 is likely to weigh as much as a V8. SMK: Holden spent a billion on Zeta.

I'd even bet that an LS-powered Camaro won't weigh any more than a TTV6 Camaro.

Ridgeline 2.0 Not good.

I think this is the key aspect of the platform that we should be focusing on. Zeta was remarkably flexible in this regard (although the attribute has so far been under-utilized). I expect Alpha to be even moreso. You have to think that some lessons have been learned. I remain optimistic about both Alpha and the Zeta II/Zeta light/Zeta-Sigma larger car platforms. I believe that GM ran into an issue with the flexibility of Zeta when they tried to start using it for things it wasn't originally intended for. Look at the amount of effort and changes just to get the Camaro we have today. But as you say, lessons (hopefully) have been learned for Alpha. Hence the requirements that it be able to accept 4, 6, and 8 cylinder engines. I don't believe it was a flexibility issue per se, the dash-to-axle length was extended to accomodate the Camaro design. However, the hard points of Zeta meant that a smaller Camaro wasn't possible while keeping the heritage design in proportion. It could have been smaller, but it would have looked different. Alpha should fix that for Camaro. Zeta would have been a better base for a Chevelle.

Well some of my brain cells still function...

I think this is the key aspect of the platform that we should be focusing on. Zeta was remarkably flexible in this regard (although the attribute has so far been under-utilized). I expect Alpha to be even moreso. You have to think that some lessons have been learned. I remain optimistic about both Alpha and the Zeta II/Zeta light/Zeta-Sigma larger car platforms.

Thus ends the debate portion of our program.

That could have been said for any other brand had GM not pigeon-holed all of their brands in the 30k or less starting price bracket. I mean think about it...If Cadillac were really upmarket, Buick would have followed, as would have Oldsmobile, Pontiac, SAAB and well Saturn could just stay out in orbit because I never liked them anyway. I certainly agree with you on the pricing aspect - it's undeniable. But right now, GMC has the cleanest focus and no need to compromise. The other three brands are constantly making trade-offs.

And there's the proof that alphanumerics suck.

Found a pic, but not the name. Ford.bmp Good looking beast.

Wasn't it called a GT something or other? Some alphanumeric name?

What was that polished aluminum showcar that Ford did a few years back? It belongs in this thread too.

Yup, GM really has to run with the brands largely where they are scope and positionwise. So it's time to flesh out those lineups.

Yep, it sold well. And like the Corvette, it did it with little to no advertising.

You know, after reading this thread and reflecting on GMC, I think it is the easiest surviving GM brand to chart a future for. It's dripping with opportunity, and lacks the identity squeeze the other brands are hampered by.

Ah, too bad. The stick is what makes this thing a real find. That, and the fact that it is a well-equipped stick. Add in the GMC badge and this one is exceptionally rare. If I had the cash, I'd buy it in a heartbeat.

Well...the Commodore and the Omega aren't exactly the same car. From my understanding, Holden pretty much ran with the Commodore to make it great, and as a result it diverged a bit from the Omega. True. In fact they changed quite a bit, well beyond a simple re-badge. To the question at hand, I'd consider the Holden/Pontiac to Chevy conversion for certain cars. After all, all of the parts already exist.