Camino LS6

I'm really sorry to hear about your dad, and I wish him (and you) the best. I do get the washing the car thing.

That model is outmoded. Many folks are brand-loyal all of their lives. More importantly, many of us are configuration-loyal. For me that means 2doors, RWD, manual, and V8. For others it could mean any other configuration. I would prefer to buy Pontiacs and Chevys. But, I like certain BMWs and cars like the Challenger. When the time comes to buy, I will review my all-too-limited choices and decide. I would probably "settle" for a Camaro, but will never buy a CTS or G8 because they are sedans.

If that is really true, it explains much of the stupidity. But not your objections to Holden.

Oh c'mon! I not exactly farting dust at 44! The Caddy thing has never appealed to me. If that line of thinking is still the GM model, it needs an update - badly!

1. It's a sedan 2. It's a Caddy 3. It costs too much 4. I don't like the styling 5. I like performance cars, not luxury cars 6. Sigma's days are numbered anyway. If GM had let Chevy, Pontiac, Buick have Sigma from the start, we wouldn't be arguing.

Yeah. I thought not.

Sounds good to me. Let's send them all the crap we have here so we can get the good stuff in return.

Which is why the Sunbird name on this bodystyle (and front-end style) puzzles me. Must have been a transition year.

C'mon PCS! Give me a viable alternative that justifies your irrational position on Zeta! I'm waiting.

That would be a fine distinction to make if GMNA got off its lazy ass and designed/built something comparable here. As it is they have nothing to offer in that vein. Fact is, America forgot how to build American cars - so what choice are you offering? Alpha (the only other RWD offering in the pipeline) will also be designed in OZ - you planning to boycott it as well? I don't know what Holden did to you that makes you dismiss such nice cars out of hand, but it must have been pretty bad for you to ignore the obvious merits of Zeta.

You know, I don't remember Pontiac using the Sunbird name on this car - I remember it as an Astre.

Yes. And any dash that uses wood has to have an outstanding design to avoid looking trashy - this one doesn't have the chops.

Such a sad and pointless pursuit, you want to kill the only platform that can give non-Caddy buyers a real car. Yet you love that rental queen FWD pile of a car which is already dead. I'll never understand your position on Zeta - it makes no sense at all.

Oh, I'll be happy about that too. :AH-HA_wink: It's a done deal anyway, the GP is dead.

Good eye! But I think it is a '76. This little wagon could be a cool project.

Actually, it was.

You're starting to tick-tock me off.

Hey! Fringe benefits! If you give me your GTO , I promise not to buy a Challenger.

You make a very good point.

The PC garbage has run amok.

The death of the Grand Prix fills me with great joy!

Criminally foolish. Only the brain-damaged could come up with a "plan" like this.

"Hey there mister madman whatcha know that I don't know. Tell me some crazy stories, let me know who runs the show. Glassy-eyed and laughing, he turns and walks away. Tell me what made you that way"

Well Reg, I'm afraid self-destructive tendencies seem to come with the turf for those of an artistic bent. Sad, but true. Much of the great art throughout history is the product of tortured souls. Celebrity only adds to the pressure.