Drew Dowdell
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Past performance is no indicator of future performance. We're talking about where Lincoln and Buick are today. Is Lincoln on the move? Absolutely. Are they there yet? No. There will be a time, I hope, that Lincoln is back to its former glory and well above Buick in "premiumness"..... that day is not today. Of the Ford premium vehicles, only the F-150 and Explorer really bring it to Buick. The Buick Enclave is about to be refreshed to bring it even higher. The Lacrosse is a much more luxurious place to spend time than a Fusion Platinum.... even the previous Lacrosse was.
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It looks like it is at least as big as the current model, so it's not downsized like the Acadia. -
Actually, I'm using your own argument to support mine. If Continental competes with the $10k more expensive CT6 directly, then most of the Buick brand competes with all of the Lincoln brand under that same logic. So basically, if you want to insist that $10k price difference doesn't matter, fine, but then that brings Buick and Denali into the argument too.
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it's fine... it took me a while to type that on my phone
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Buick sells more Regals globally (not even counting Insignia which adds another ~75k to the total) than Lincoln sells vehicles. And generally, Buick sells more vehicles globally in one month than Lincoln does in an entire year. Yes there is a price difference on those global cars... But even in just the US, Enclave sales alone (which is inside of Lincoln's price range) are 50% of the Lincoln brand total for the year. Even if you take out Encore and Verano, count only Regal, LaCrosse, Cascada, Envision, and Enclave.... Buick is ahead by about 10,000 units.
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As I said. I know more than you think I do.
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That's not how ATP by brand works. Total transaction $ amount for all sales divided by total number of transactions. It doesn't matter is ESV is counted separately or not.
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I think you'd have more of a problem with Ford's social media policy than me. With regards to the rest, I already know more than you think I do and I haven't done anything with it.
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One SUV sells that high, and while Escalade sales are good, there aren't enough of them to pull the ATP that high on its own. We already know XTS is dead man walking at this point. It gets one small refresh and that's it.
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Good luck with everything. I certainly know the pressure. I'll be back a lot more over the next few weeks @Frisky Dingo, so hopefully I can perk things up for you.
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Wouldn't you get in on a manufacturer badge? Unfortunately, there is a conflict of interest that I would need to consider when editing your submissions.... and you might not be happy about my editing.
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No, the XTS is only $800 more than the Continental... that's not a significant enough difference to matter in this segment.... for the purposes's of argument the Continental and XTS are base priced the same.
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I don't have stats by model, but Cadillac has one of the highest ATPs in the entire segment, beating even BMW and Audi.. so I'm betting that they're beating Lincoln too. JDN is on record saying that he's fine with lower volume as long as profits and ATP are up. Selling "the most" isn't as important to him as selling "the most profitable". It's exactly the opposite of MB which is now whoring out the Benz name for $275 a month with zero down just to chase volume. The Continental is likely to be the highest contributor to Lincoln's ATP increase since Navigator sales are so low (just 677 units last month). I've stated before, I don't mind if Lincoln or Cadillac have lower sales as long as they have premium priced sales. I don't want everyone on the block having a Cadillac or Lincoln because then if I buy one, it isn't as special. It's the same reason I didn't buy a 3-series back in 2004... you can't drift a Mustang in Pittsburgh without hitting a pack of 323xi. Back in 2004 they were as common as a Civic or Grand Am.
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With this latest ice storm, even our AWD vehicles struggled to get up our driveway. Whatever we get next time, I'm going back to a V6 or better for the Encore replacement. Even a Grand Cherokee 4x4 V6 can maintain 27mpg highway.... and the Encore is 32ish.. The CR-V tops out at 27mpg if I'm gentle on it. The CR-V will be replaced with a truck and the GM full-sizers can get into the low 20s.. That's not a big enough increase in MPGs for me to be satisfied with the lack of power.
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It does appear to be a success so far. I certainly wouldn't refuse a Continental out of my driveway.
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November 2016: General Motors Co.
Drew Dowdell replied to William Maley's topic in 2016 Sales Archive
Not hard to do at a $10,000 discount to the Cadillac. -
Being a higher priced car, if the CT6 was outselling the Continental, that would point to a problem as well. The Continental bases almost exactly $10,000 less... I expect it to sell better than CT6. Cadillac's average transaction prices are at their highest ever too, so it's unlikely that it is mostly base models that are moving. But even XTS is outselling Continental and it is priced right up against it. That's a problem.
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If XTS is outselling Continental... even if they're both fleet... that's a problem. (note, I didn't bother to go look up the numbers... I said "if")
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I just had a 300C for a week and I really really enjoy that car. I'd want it in a V8, but AWD is a necessity for where I live..... I was told that I could replace the Encore with the 300C as long as it was AWD... so maybe.
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You want to write some articles or do some photography? I might be able to work something out for you ;-)
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The Saab has a very distinct roofline that the Continental doesn't (and shouldnt) have. If you're just talking about the shape of the tail lights, that's a design trend on just about everything these days.
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1... what in the hell did you do to that post? 2. I'm not seeing any of what you describe in the Continental... certainly not the 9-5. There might be a touch of Bentley in there, but there are certainly worse comparisons to be made. One thing it does look though is bold. I will say that it is bolder looking than the CT6 and any of the Genesis line at the moment, although the Genesis line is growing on me. I like it far better than anything at Lexus as well.
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I believe Mercedes already stated that the car would act to save the occupants first. So that's one manufacturer's stance. It seems to me, on the surface, to be a well reasoned path to take. In such a case, the car has greater control of the safety of the occupants (pretensioning seatbelts, rolling up windows, any other safety countermeasures that can be activated ahead of impact). I think the biggest thing to torpedo autonomous driving technology, in the US at least, is our refusal to invest adequately in infrastructure. Here in Pittsburgh, a self-driving Uber went the wrong way down a one way street, however, the reason was because the street was not well marked. I was driving in a less desirable part of town recently and nearly ran a stop sign. The reason? The stop sign was no longer reflective, so my headlights didn't make it shine and I didn't see it until I was right on top of it. Even just today, the power is out in parts of town due to the ice storm. Duquesne Light has signs up at an intersection that are non-standard stop signs. Passing back through that same intersection later, they have a cop there directing traffic. How will an autonomous vehicle handle that sort of situation? A couple of accidents related to this stuff is what will kill autonomous vehicles here..... not other drivers.
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I think the Continental styling is in the unusual position of being at once classic and also ahead of its time.
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Attendance is not what I am talking about. The number and importance of the debuts being shown there is dwindling. The Pittsburgh Auto Show is fairly well attended by the public also... but we get zero debuts, so there is practically no media participation, no headlines, no reason for me to even go.
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