Drew Dowdell

Does that kind of excuse work in China? You yourself said that the Camaro has been selling there since 2011.... the Mustang is new.

You're the one who brought up the Puritans man..... you got your facts wrong about them escaping religious persecution. On the point of the Quakers.. of which I am a descendant as well, I concede that yes they were being persecuted in England... but they were NOT the Mayflower pilgrims.

Camaro was busy stomping on the Mustang here in the US during 4 of those 5 years. GM's more interested in growing Buick and Cadillac. Buick is a huge money maker for them over there where they can sell re-badged Daewoos at the low end for big markups and charge Benz like prices for the Encore and the GL8. Buick has been a prestige brand since the last time China had an Emperor. Where is Lincoln? Just getting started. Let's compare numbers.... During March the Ford sold 90,457 units, down biggly. General Motors delivered a March record of 345,448 vehicles GM sold 2.5 times as many Envisions as Ford sold Mustangs. GM sold nearly as many Buicks in China (88,519) than Ford sold vehicles of any brand and any size. Chevy just isn't one of the bigger brands for GM in China. They use their other brands there.... so it's not a big surprise that Camaro sales are low. In the end, I'm not really all that concerned about Camaro or Mustang sales in China... as the original article implies, muscle cars (or more properly, pony cars?) have never been a big deal to the Chinese, so the sales of these two cars there is a relatively new phenomenon. The Chinese go for big, soft luxury... being chauffeur driven has been the prestige there. Hard to have a chauffeur with a Camaro or Mustang.

I can Zero you out if you want to start from scratch

Voting is going to change in a few months anyway. I"ve been testing out version 4.2 of the software and it has "reactions" rather than voting up or down.

I'm not sure GM was even trying with the Camaro over there.... leaving it with limited importation due to cost. It was a big deal that they even imported the Enclave over there.

The problem is when you and a select other few vote troll. Meaning, someone who you don't like posts "Air contains oxygen" and you vote them down for it. Unfortunately, this software doesn't have a mechanism for dealing with that sort of pettiness, so I have to spank you manually.

Yeah, Capitalism did similar things to Detroit as well. When they starting to put short term profits over long term product quality. When they started considering people disposable. When they started moving jobs overseas because they forgot the lessons of Henry Ford; pay your workers a wage that they can afford the products they build. You can head over to Detroit and survey the destruction of rampant capitalism all you want.

You lost when you downvoted him for making factual statements.

Horsepower is the measurement of torque over time. A Tesla has max torque at zero RPM, but it also has ZERO horsepower at that point. Horsepower is a marketing gimmick and largely irrelevant to the every day driver. It's only relevant to race car drivers.

Sadly, the 4.3 is actually small enough to fit under the hood of the new Impala. They just won't do it.

One wonders what the government of Venezuela plans to do with an auto manufacturing plant that has no parts suppliers. At this point, it's just a large box on land.

That would be relevant had we been talking about that period in time. We are not. We are discussing the 150 or so years of "pure capitalism" that @hyperv6 referred to.... a capitalism that only existed due to theft, indentured servitude, and slavery by the capitalists..... or as Hyper likes to call it "the good old days"

@trinacriabob - yeah, the 3500 and 3900 both hold up very well. I continue to be impressed with their smoothness. It's a shame that the Horsepower per Liter crowd killed them in the marketplace. The 3500 may only make 219 hp which is just higher than the 196hp in the new 2.5 in the base Impala, but it also makes 35 lb-ft more torque and at a lower RPM. I know I'd rather have the smoothness of the 3500 over the rather rough sounding (even as far as 4-cylinder go) 2.5 liter.

it's utterly ridiculous and a failure of our education system that this thread even exists. The number of falsehoods in @hyperv6 post from 8 hours ago is enough to make any 6th grade teacher want to quit their job and go be a sniper instead. Puritans did NOT come to the the new world to escape persecution. You apparently never learned anything about them beyond the cartoony 4th grade level. The Puritans came here because they weren't allowed to persecute to the level they wanted to. King Charles I, who himself was not afraid to have people killed for not adhering to a rather strict faith, had to tell the Puritans to knock it off with the persecution of other religions. So in an effort to be as strict as possible they decided to break away from England. Even when they came to the new world, the Puritans would execute followers of other faiths. So let's make sure we get the facts straight.... the Puritans were the contemporary equivalent of Wahhabism type of Islam. Just to correct at least one of the falsehoods in that long post.

The idea that the New Deal was supposed to be temporary (nothing which could be further from the truth, especially given the quotes from FDR at the time) is the EXACT reason why we are falling behind again today.

Really @hyperv6, you're going to vote me down because I said the world isn't black and white? Or are you just one of those who doesn't like to admit that socialism had a large part in pushing this country forward?

We live in a capitalist/socialist hybrid. What capitalists don't like to admit is that we got "great" by adopting more socialism and we've gotten less great as we've moved towards more pure capitalism. The reality is there is a scale and somewhere mid-point between socialism and capitalism is the best point.

How does the blue car not project rearward from the sheet metal? I can clearly see it projecting when looking at the inside side of the tail light? Anyway.... I think modern interpretations of the fin using plastic or even light piping are at least doable.

Interesting that Benz has decided on cribbing old Buick grilles for the upcoming look.

Even the current Frontier isn't that bad. A bit outdated in terms of infotainment tech, sure, but as a smallish truck, it works.

Niro doesn't have AWD. The technology from the 2-mode served as a learning point for the new Hybrid Drive in the Cadillac CT6. Though technically now a 4-mode hybrid, they are not marketing it as such. There is no physical relation between the two technologies. They are similar in abstract concept only.

Cue with Carplay and Android auto is better. Sounds about the same as the regular Cadillac Bose. (panaray is only on CT6 and I think Escalade). The G90 feels bigger because it is... Especially in width. XTS interior is showing it's age. The CT6 is the more apt comparison and I think Cadillac did the better job on the interior there.