Sixty8panther

Sure, I'll post all that stuff tomorrow morning, I've got a busy night right now of finishing the tree, outside Christmas lights etc... None of us is perfect. I wish I had half the Automotive knowledge you do.

Sure... I was planning on it. Ford starters the 1st gen. Infiniti M45 sedan was sold everywhere else in the world as a Nissan Gloria.

Of all the crazy stuff people do around the world on this night the Quebecians are the craziest and most violant... those insane French-canadians.

I think the Brass era is wicked cool but that's when a daily driver becomes very impractical at best... although Jay Leno does drive his brass era (1912?) baker electric car all the time, with his wife. It has a tiller for a steering wheel and top speed is 23 mph but in L.A. Traffic you will not go any faster anyway. I probably will never go past 1927 or so but never say never.... A 1923 T-bucket with a Quad-Turbo 572 is something I'd love to put together someday.

So here are the results: Camino: 80/91 87.9% correct ------------------ Yell-Dart: 85/91 93.4% correct ------------------ Balthy: 85/91 93.4% correct ------------------ OldsGuy: 87/91 95.6% correct ------------------ Camino: you put down G13 for 1984 Datsun btui I'm pretty sure when I came to visit you with my '84 you ddi not confuse it with a 1957 Plymouth Fury. I just assumed it was a typo since the correct answer was D13 it's a very logical assumption. I made a screw up on the 1961/1962 Buick photo. The "SURFBOARD SIDE" (as I call them) 1961/62 Buicks are all gorgeous to me but they all seem to confuse me at times. I'm always confusing Skylarks with Specials & Invictas with Electras those two years. The problem is all the many trim levels and the fact that I have yet to see most of them in the flesh. I honesstly have not seen more than 3 or maybe 4 of these cars motionless & up close at a show. They're 99% as beautiful to me as a 1959... it's only 1960 I'm not crazy about. Here's smoe insight on the pics that stumped most of you guys... taken out of context some of them really are a bit confusing, esp. if it is 1:30am. I'm a bit dissapointed that FlyBrain did not participate but he's still got a lot of points racked up anyway. As it stands OldsGuy gets 3 points, YD & Bathazar get 2 each Camino gets one well earned point. Thanks for participating.

You're absolutely right, the ugly Honda S2000 is pretty much a motorcycle with four wheels. There's been a few of those made over the years, this ugly, flimsy, East German POS was the product of the failure of socialism & was also considered: "basically a motorcycle with 4 wheels" But it was still a piece of $hit in every single way... even as a young kid growing up in Eastern Europe I made fun of these crapboxes. They were very lightweight & got great fuel economy from their 2-cylinder 2-stroke motors & "fiberglass" bodies... I use the word fiberglass in a VERY loose sense... if you ever kicked the fender it would tear like one of those recycled cardboard drink holders from McDonalds, and I'm not exagerating much. I swear those things were made from recycled lunch trays by communist approved gulags. So you see.... there it is, to me today's Hondas are the 21st century version of Trabants, they're ugly, they have no torque their sheetmetal feels like it's made of recycled junk, steel in the Honda's case but it's not that much of an improvement over the Trabant's body given the elapsed 30+ years in the design/manufacture industry/technology. HUBRIS.

It's been almost two hours now and I'm still not done checking everyones' answers. Did Fly get eh 404 screen too? Did we have technical difficulties? Do we need a recount?

I plead the 5th.... the fizz-ifff!

oh.... when I read "BM" I thought somehting else.

Okay guys... the G/F is in the mood so I'm off to bed. I'm not going to be a complete hardass about the 12:00 midnight deadline, so long as your answers are posted "tonight" and they're there in the morning hours tomorrow you'll be good to go. To keep things consistant please post the answers in a clear-cut manner. Perhaps like this: 1912 Cadillac: A-13 1931 Pontiac: F-7 1949 Buick: C-4 etc.

My bad Balthazar.... I was speaking only in terms of his direct involvement with GM and Cadillac. Certainly his master machinist credentials that dated to the American Civil War and ended with Lincoln are LONG-lived as you said. I always thought it was awsome that he lived long enough to see the marvelous OHV V16s. It's ironic you resurected this thread today Balthazar... there will be a few related questions in the last TWCC Trivia thread once it is posted after the winners of #58 are announced tomorrow.

Yes... Actaully I have taken about a half dozen test drives in two seperate S2000s. One was a gray 1999 with like 4,000 miles, got traded at Bill DeLuca Chevroelt where I was working. The second one was a white 2000 m.y. that also had pretty low milage but was rusting like an 1980s Subaru and yet it was less than 4 years old, the engine compartment was nasty, peeling paint and rusty oxidation stains from the rust leaking down the firewall & suspension mount points. I was told by the manager of the dealership to "drive it like I stole it", keep the RPMs high etc. which goes without saying. I did do QUITE a nasty burnout in it at about 7500rpm but I think the clutch got more abuse than the tires since it's got like 7 lbs./ft of torque @ 9000rpm. I try not to be biased or make assumptions about cars based on country of origin etc. but 85% of the time when I drive Hondas or Toyotas (and yes even a lot of Nissans too...) they fell cheap, fragile, built for very small people & too lightweight (not in a good way). Just slamming the door on most Japanese cars makes me think something will break, esp. Hondas and small Toyotas. Sure I love my Q45 but it's mostly because it is as close to a RWD Park Ave as can be had from a Japanese manufacturer. Whatever... agree to disagree, I'm tired of beating a dead horse, my opinion stands.

DO IT! As much as I "hate" on these cars for their FWD as far as a used car value they are not too shabby. $900 is pretty good for a car that will probably give you a few years of faithful service & possibly a hundre thousand miles more.

According to the seller it's as close to a daily driver mechanically as a car of that vintage can get. There's nothing wrong with 1930s technology, stuff was made tough as nails back then... if maintained properlly a car of this vintage can be daily driven... keeping in mind you can NOT do 75mph on the highway and tailgate like a soccermom in a Caravan. I am 100% comfortable and quite happy driving my Super 88 in modern day traffic, I've been in EVERY driving situation with that car including a massive thunderstorm. This would be more archane and the highway would be mostly off limits but backroads are more fun with classics anyways.

Agreed. NASCAR has been lame since the late 70s. Rally racing has always been AWSOME!

I'll have a FIT if that happens. That little dustmite has to the the 3rd ugliest new vehicle on the road today. The first being the Ridgeline and Second being the Element.... hey I did not realize until I just typed that how the three vehicles I think have the worst styling are all HONDAS.

No I'm NOT confusinfg anything! Several times in the past decade they have stood up on a soapbox and preached down theior nose about how they will never engage in manufacturing BOf vehicles, V8s or oversized pickups. Honda/Acura makes me sick. All those ads in AutoWeek of F1 cars doign burnouts... I'd love to see a production car from them that does not suck like a Hoover... The S2000 is lame and the NSX was 8 years past it's expiration date by the time it was pulled off the market. What did they sell the last year it was sold here... like 3 of them? Really? Which dealerhip did you visit when you saw this V8 powered, one passanger race car with 700 horsepower? GM has 2.0 liter Ecotec 4 cylinders making 700 horsepower in race cars (NHRA) that does not mean ANYTHING in an argument about production cars.

NO, those sell in much larger numbers that that... but Yes the Colorado & Canyon are to a lesser degree than the 1970s LUV, rebadges.

funny stuff... though I'd take this 'pile' over a Ridgeline.

I'm hoping that he has trouble selling it, it is the winter after all... and maybe in the spring I can offer him like $4500 for it and drive it home the entire distance from the Canada/NY border, through upstate NY, across a few cool landmarks like river City junction Vermont & the White Mountains in NH all the way to my house just east of Lowell, Mass. Now THAT would be a road trip to remember!

Dsuupr: You know who else was Quaker? A great pacifist man who Founded Cadillac & Lincoln, Henry Leland. grouping together the "white-trash-power" Klan, Nazis & Republicans is very ignorant and just makes your argument seem infintile. As far as the issue of empathy I agree 100%.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY!!! What did you wish for when you blew out the candles on the cake? A DTS-L, CTS-V or Lucerne? "Christopher Plummer" He-he, he... that's always been a funny name to me.

Excellent point but i'll most likely be noting more than a cryogenically frozen head in a locker at Iron Mountain 75 years from now, I do however see your point. One thing though: Per capita MUCh less of today's cars will survive that long, domestic or otherwise... modern cars suck in terms of ease of maintenence and "restoration". Between the electronics and all the otehr jun in modern cars they'll be fed to a crusher in much larger numbers than 30s or 50s stuff ever was.

I may be a hypocrite but to say that 1990s Hondas share a commonality with 1930s Pontiacs is just mind boggling. Yes, in 1931 this car would not jump out at you cosmetically in traffic but it DOES have style and you can;t argue with that. In 1931 Pontiac was an upscale manufactrer, not your Chevrolet or Plymouth, nevermind the cheap-tastic Fords that every arm-chair entusiast thinks needs to be made inot a "rodded", "chopped" & 350-SBC powered car with cheesy 1990s aftermarket wheels. Respect your roots, if ti wa not for this car and many other cars from the 1930s GM would not exist today, nevermind Pontiac ZETAS. let's not get into semantics, you think 1930s cars suck and that's your right... I think they're a great investment and I appreciate any 1930s non-Ford that has survived to be seen on the road today still powered by it's flathead (or valve-in-head-Buick) motor and manual transmission sans-synchros. I think 20 years from now when a 1991 or so Honda Civic with low miles will be a great candadite for a demolition-derby enduro race (same as my Datsun is today and your Millenia will be soon despite both being great vehicles in their day) a mostly original 1931 Pontiac sedan on corker tires will be worth its weight in Copper if not Gold.

Dude, what the heck are you talking about? a 1931 Pontiac is EXACTLY in line with my principles: - RWD - BOF - INLINE-6 (bulletproof flathead) - A+++ in ease of maintenence - Does NOT blend into traffic - While every Honda ever made DEPRECIATES this car will always APPRECIATES Show me one HONDA product from the 1930? They did not exist as a car manufacturer for another 3+ decades and therefore do not enter into the equation to ANY capacity. Honda did ZERO, nothing, zip, zilch for the advancement of the Automobile in the days of the early "horseless carrige". I'm so sick of the Japanese they have not contributed in the last 100 years to the advancement fot he car any more than just GM did in ONE decade like the 1950s or 1960s. Ever seen a '36 Toyota AA? A botched abortion of a chrysler Airflow with showpping cart wheels. There's a car you can compare to a '31 Poncho. Gross here's a 1959 Chevrolet BTW: