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  1. edit. - I missed the story post earlier today! sorry about that. ! no story on the new Chevy Trax? front drive only. https://www.chevrolet.com/upcoming-vehicles/2024-trax
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  2. @smk4565 Per your own Chart that you posted, the bulk of Sales comes from two models, C-Class and GLC. MSRP starts for C-Class at $44,600 for the GLC $44,900. Regardless of other higher-level trims, the starting point shows these are prices to compete with Chevrolet, Toyota, VW, etc. and as such are not a luxury product but a mass market product. This is the Grey area that Mercedes loves to sell in and take ones money but still also be a snob to look at high end models and think it covers the whole product line.
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  3. The Lyriq and Escalade both start north of $50K so that's a lie as well (and the XT6 sniffs within $10 of $50K here so that base price is location dependent. Lets not forget @smk4565, I am not denying where Cadillac plays here but this discussion wasn't about whether or not Cadillac sells a bunch of sub-$50K cars. It was whether Benz does and how much they rely upon those sales. See how that works? No deflection. No goalpost moving. Just sticking to the damn subject. Try it sometime.
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  4. D-E-F-L-E-C-T-I-O-N And I'm sure that had ZRO to do with the fact that the CLA (which is one foot in the grave anyway) a A-Class are complete failures. Again, see the C-Class (which starts at $39K) as an example of sub-$50K sales that keep the lights on for Benz. Why else dabble in the sub-$50K pool to begin with if you are "luxury" or the "best or nothing" right?
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  5. @surreal1272 This whole thread has clearly shown the fear of those that want to believe lies rather than facts and truth. A major problem we have in America. It is going to be interesting to see how people respond to the expanded GM business model of auto sales, Ultium Home, Ultium Commercial and Ultium Charge 360. If anything, GM has a better marketing story as they give a complete solution than to anything Europe or Asia currently has. The only other company to offer complete solutions is Tesla and yet they have not done one thing that is an interesting observation is the V2G and V2H which only Kia and Hyundai have included in their EVs. None of that tech is found in Mercedes, BMW or Audi products let alone the rest of the European autos. GM is truly leading the move to the future of Technology, Autos and power management.
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  6. Funny how you circled some and not others. The C-Class, GLB, and GLC all start under $50 (with the GLB AND GLC starting under $40K) and those are three of MBs biggest sellers right there so thanks for proving my point yet again. You can't sit here and claim they are an all encompassing brand and then selectively ignore the models responsible for the bulk of their sales, which clearly show as many under $50K as there are over $50K. I believe you just answered your own question.
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  7. The problem with your comparison is the C-class and GLC size Toyotas are the Corolla and Rav4, which neither of have a base price of $44,000. By your logic, Cadillac, Acura, Lincoln, Acura, Volvo, Genesis, Lexus, BMW, Infiniti are all mass market brands, because they all sell cars under $40,000. And the GLE is #2 seller, more than doubling the C-class this year, but the C-class also just had a new model out, I think early in the year not many were available as the ran out the old model inventory and waited for the new one. Mercedes has 6 model lines with base price over $100,000 (not counting AMG One), all of the Asian and American car companies have a combined 1, the Acura NSX. If you want to talk about who makes high end cars and who doesn't.
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  8. 5 of 6 Cadillacs and every Acura but the NSX start under $50k. The GLC starts at about $45k. Mercedes themselves sees their brand in 3 segments, I forgot the names but entry are the front drive platform A-B classes, Core is the C and E classes and top group is anything with a S, G-Class, GT. Obviously the bulk of the sales come from the middle. The notion that Mercedes relies on low end cars to make money is false when the S-class outsells the A-class and CLA and costs 4 times more. The S makes 4 times more revenue than the front drive cars.
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