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I am a computer person. Apple has been far more reliable for me than Android. Both OSes suck, but the build quality of Apple products has been, on average, better than the Androids I've had. The best Androids were the Nexus and Pixel line. Samsungs are garbage.

That can be said for literally every group of tech buyers out there, whether it’s Apple, Google, Microsoft, or any number of tech buyers out there. To assume it’s just Apple users that are like that is woefully ignorant on your part. I’ve done onsite tech work and shop work for Apple products and Windows and guess what? They are the same type of folks which is why they had me look at their stuff. Just asinine assumptions made by you David. Sorry but you put it on full display here. And I’m not speaking as just a computer person. I’m speaking as a person with years of experience with people who use all types of tech. Don’t try an conflate things here. What I am saying is common sense and you know it. Maybe it’s you that need to take yourself out of the computer talk if you don’t understand that.

That means nothing regarding attractive designs. The EV6 is too expensive for its size and bodystyle. I like it, but I wouldn’t pay what Kia is asking for it. but that doesn’t make Teslas less stark

The charger and the motor, and certain batteries are the only things that Tesla has an advantage on. Their visual design sucks (peaked at early Model S) and their interior design can only be considered "design" by the most technical use of the word. Stark, stale, austere, plain, and unremarkable, are all words I'd use to describe Tesla aesthetics. Are they still using Dodge Dart window switches? I haven't checked lately.

That's what my reaction was for because the iPhones I have had for years at a time, never gave me battery issues. My current 12 Pro Max is just about 3 years old with no problems whatsoever but then again, I am not a kid playing games and such for 16 hours a day, which is why your kids phone batteries tank after a few years. Here's the thing, I have a tech background too David and those battery issues for your kids would exist whether they were using iOS or Android for the same reasons mentioned above. I am going to skip the condescending nature of your post regarding Apple users and their lack of wanting to deal with maintenance or just being otherwise lazy BS. Newsflash. NO ONE WANTS TO DEAL WITH MAINTENANCE, whether it's a phone or a car. This is coming from someone with 30+ years on the Mac platform, 30 years on Windows, a few years on Linux, 13 years of iOS, and 2 years of Android (as I stare at my "newer" 4 year iMac and 18 year old Mac Pro G5 tower that still works as good as the day it came out in 2005). What the hell do I know though. And I'm done, for a while. Same but I guess everyone has "that" about $h! batteries on iPhones while I constantly sold batteries to Android users for their barely 1-2 year phones. Use what you want to use but don't condescend over it and belittle users but calling them lazy for about the dumbest damn reasons imaginable (obviously, that part was directed at you lol).

Kind of like Tesla EV's compared to others. Much better design at Tesla. They can all switch the charger, but they can't switch their cars.

And yet Q2 2023 was another sales record for Tesla. Ioniq 5 is flat for the year, Mach-E was down 36% YTD through May, EV6 was reported to be down 43% in June, it has been down all year. These guys don't have a chance. They can't get any volume, and they can't make any profit.