Leaderboard

Yeah, I meant that if Brand or RWD wasn't a concern, an Envision Avenir would be a great alternative to an X3 or GLC of the same price. The Terrain Denali wouldn't be.... if for no other reason than you're stuck with that weaksauce 1.5T. And before @smk4565 comes in here talking about 0-60 or horsepower of the Envision v. X3, the buyer I'm talking about doesn't care about those things. Buick geared the Envision right so that the torquey 2.0T always feels effortless to drive. Will it lose to an X3 in a drag race? Yes, but the people buying these just want quiet and effortless power to get out of the Target parking lot.

@ccap41 I think they've already committed fraud on multiple occasions. There's the odometer issue playing out in the courts now. There's the tax credits issue where Tesla suddenly submitted tax rebates for thousands of vehicles. There's been material misrepresentations in product presentations. Misrepresentations about autopilot capabilities. Misrepresentations about range. There's probably a service and warranty class action brewing. It's shocking that they haven't been sued more. @G. David Felt can't play with automotive stocks without informing me. We have an ethics agreement here for writers that we do not directly hold shares of automotive companies or their suppliers. Holdings through broad based managed funds are fine. If he does start buying/shorting shares, we have to put a disclaimer of his holding on all of his articles.

Last week, April 15th, Tax Day for those of us in the U.S., we started a new series called Tariff Tuesday. President Trump's tariffs amount to one of the largest single increases in taxes on the American People in history. The tariffs which, if fully implemented, will raise $1.4 trillion in revenue, an increase per household of $1,900 to $7,600 per year. Trump's tariff policies change daily, sometimes hourly, so as always, this information is correct for at least 15 minutes after publication. Each week we document the effects the tariff have or could have on the U.S. automotive industry. Last week we made the case that under Trump's tariff policies, affordable sports cars are dead. Prediction: Buick — Killed in the U.S. While Killing It in China Buick is in a bit of a pickle. The number of models they field in the U.S. has dwindled down to just four. In spite of the decrease in offerings, the brand has shown growth in recent years with a significant jump of 39% in the first quarter of 2025. It seems as though Americans were catching on to Buick's new offerings. Buick specializes in inexpensive but premium-feeling small and medium-sized crossovers with just the U.S.-built Enclave filling the large crossover spot. However, Buick's best sellers all come from overseas. The Sales Numbers Tell the Story The Encore GX is Buick's best seller with 58,239 units sold in 2024. The second runner up is the Buick Envista at 51,316 units. These two models account for more than 50% of all Buick sales in the U.S. Both models are built in South Korea. The Buick Envision is their third best seller (47,340) and accounts for about a third of all sales. It is built in China. The Enclave is their most expensive model. It is built in the US. 2024 sales numbers are distorted (26,400) as it was a model change-over year, but they have typically moved around 40,000 units a year. What 25% Tariffs Do to Buick's Prices The South Korean built Encore GX and Envista would face 25% tariffs, adding at least $6,000 - $7,000 to the base price of the vehicles. This pushes the roughly $24,000 Envista and $26,000 Encore GX base prices to between $29,750 to $32,500 respectively. The same currently goes for the Chinese-built Envision. While Trump has raised tariffs on most Chinese imports over 100%, vehicles and vehicle parts from China are under an exemption that keeps the tariff at "only" 25%. The base price of the Envision is $36,500 and with the tariff would likely go over $45,000. While these imported Buick models are excellent values at their current prices and Buick routinely tops the reliability charts, such significant price increases push these models into territory they where not intended to compete in. At nearly $30,000, a base Buick Envista would have to compete with the much larger, more capable, and just as nice U.S.-built Honda CR-V. Meanwhile, Buick Is Thriving in China Across the Pacific, Buick is doing well in China. They have eleven models on sale today with six more coming on a new EV/PHEV/EREV platform showcased with the Buick Electra GS Concept. Buick and GM are making major inroads in the hot EV market their with 40% increases in EV/PHEV market share. They are also showcasing LFP batteries with faster charging technology than is currently available in the U.S. Buick China is so confident in their new platform, they are launching an entire sub-brand called Electra that will feature these six new models. Could GM Shutter Buick in the U.S.? We don't see how Buick can maintain its momentum in the US with massive price increases on its three most popular models that comprise most of their sales. Barclays estimates that GM will cease all imports from South Korea and China, totaling roughly 450,000 vehicles over multiple brands due to tariffs. Rather than on-shoring production, GM may just chose to shutter the brand in the U.S. entirely and let it live on solely in China. While Buick is no longer a major selling brand in the US, ending it removes choice and competition for American consumers. That increased cost and loss of choice are tied directly to the Trump tariffs. Buick isn't the only brand feeling the squeeze — as we explored in our next Tariff Tuesday, the entire small crossover segment faces big trouble since nearly all of them are imported. View full article

That last line is exactly why my sister who is an in home care open wound nurse bought, quiet and effortless for her comfort of driving from home to home to take care of people. Could care less about speed.

I guess I misunderstood your last comment. To me, your last line made it sound like you'd still take a Terrain Denali over it.

Eh, no. The Envision is more desirable to a different customer. It has a substantially nicer interior, better sound isolation, better standard engine, and frankly, looks a lot better too. I'd buy an Envision, I wouldn't buy a Terrain Denali over it. The Enclave has less powertrain differentiation, but the interior, again, is substantially nicer. GMC did up the niceness of the Denali, but the Buick is above it still. The Encore GX is the one that is too close for comfort to the Trax. The Envista is a different style of vehicle than anything Chevy has.

You don't need to be "rich". Plus, you would have supposedly made a ton of money with your prediction! There's still plenty of time, because you think they're going to commit accounting fraud and go bankrupt.

Yeah, BYD is already in central and south America.

This is interesting, @A Horse With No Name saw this today on Instagram as it was Mexico plated BYD driving in California. https://www.instagram.com/reel/DHjpyzky6k3/?igsh=MTl0a3lxOGR0YjZtMA==

Oddly enough it's the Envision, the Chinese one, that is the most unique of the Buick lineup. While it is plaform-shared with the Terrain and 'Nox, it has different dimensions in and out and does feel like a significantly more premium vehicle. Unless someone is really hung up about brand and RWD, I would recommend an Envision Avenir over a X3 or GLC any day. I can't say the same about a Terrain Denali though.

If I was rich with extra cash I would have shorted Tesla stock back at the start of Idiot47 having taken office and Black Maga Puppet Master Musk having done the stupidity he is doing. At this point, I do not see Tesla recovering and the market is not really recovering either. I suspect it would take forensic accounting review of Tesla, but I think Fraud has already happened in many ways, just look at the GPU issue thing and the movement of them to his AI project. Things are moved around, does not seem to be any paper trail or transparency of the business. Manipulation all for his own personal interest. If the Tesla Cyber Truck was the winner Musk promised, then the 800V system and the style would be selling over and over without the thousands sitting around and the idling of the assembly line. If Tesla was truly leading the auto industry, then the New Y would be on 800V and not still running on a 400V system. Other auto companies, especially in China have far exceeded Tesla now. Tesla is becoming irrelevant. Their biggest plus is their supercharger stations, the rest of their auto line is pathetic.

So we have not posted a story on the Toyota version of this same EV, Toyota bZ7 which I personally think is way better looking and is even better looking than the Tesla S. Thoughts? @Paolino @ccap41 @smk4565 @surreal1272 @A Horse With No Name @oldshurst442 @Drew Dowdell Toyota bZ7 Toyota full bZ family of EVs

No, Buick today is just a bunch of ugly generic CUVs. Nothing unique or memorable, just bland appliances. Likely well built and reliable, but 0% style. Buick has lost the plot. I'll admit I'm a bit older, but to me these are Buicks...the new stuff has zero appeal to me.

Buick couldn't be a more useless brand in the US. They only make different branded Chevys, GMCs and Cadillacs. Do they offer anything different than Chevy, GMC or Cadillac?

Buick like Chrysler are Dead Auto Brands stagnant. The Tariffs are just stupid and if you do the full 245% that has been in the news makes Buick dead, dead, dead. Then we have Mazda announcement that they have stopped all production of the CX50 model for the Canada market as they are not going to deal with the Tariffs to go over the border. As such, people laid off, less product, but Canada will now get their CX50's from Japan according to the news. Buick like Mazda are now casualties of idiot leadership by a person who never has had to work hard let alone build anything in a global market.

So you're predicting they will attempt to commit fraud..? What an asinine prediction for a company, just because you don't like the CEO. If you honestly believe this, why aren't you shorting the stock? Or, you don't actually believe what you're saying. I'm sure there are dozens and dozens of crappy, trashy, classless, and idiotic CEOs out there. You just don't know about them because you're not looking for them.