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There will be no EV for me until there is a living situation where you can charge it overnight within a short distance from where you are sleeping. That you'd have to charge them on the open road during a trip is understood. Yeah, if it isn't convenient, it isn't worth it. I'd never even consider an EV if I couldn't charge overnight at my home.

I don't know if there was a call I've made where I've dealt with an automated system where I didn't end up talking to a live person. I think I'm at a 100% rate, hahaha. (assuming the place was within operating hours and there was somebody to get to)

I mean, they still make an ICE Blazer. But I know what you mean. You want a BOF SUV to compete with the Bronco and Wrangler. I think they missed the mark in that. They could have make a CUV that's Blazer-sized and then a "real" BOF Blazer, because the off-road market has been booming. GM missed a big opportunity by not making something to compete with the Bronco/Wrangler.

Ooof, $100/month for an extended warranty seems steep. Then you're $250 deductible and I feel like you could pocket that money and save it for a repair. If no repair then saved a bunch. Then again... of course if something happens you'll have to drop a bunch of cash, but that's a solid car, isn't it? I wouldn't think you'd have much of anything to worry about with that. I love the ZDX. That would easily my number 1 on my list if they'd come back down in price. Prior to gasoline spiking to around $5/gal, Prologues would be had pretty easily for 28k, ZDX's could be found around 32k or so. Lyriq is a close #2 for me, but they've stayed right around 40k "around" me, so I kind of wrote that off right away. I look them up every once in awhile just to see if prices are fluctuating or not. I haven't really looked at the Wagoneer S. Is it worth a crap? Stellantis in general just kind of scares me for something new. I think it looks sharp. And, if I remember correctly, it had good performance numbers. After everything I still wonder if I should just wait for a new president that would possibly reinstate a tax credit or if that's just gone forever.

I know they're smaller, but I knew buying a Navigator that it was more than I needed. I just simply didn't like what was in my price range that was of the "larger 2-row" category. I came across 2015-2017 Expeditions and Navigators and liked what they offered at the time. I don't need three rows, but I wouldn't hate it either. The 3rd row would only be for extra storage as I don't need those seats. I don't know how else to say this, but, I'm not comparing the next vehicle to another ICE vehicles. I'm ONLY comparing it to what I currently have. I don't care about the warranty comparison of an EV to a new ICE, because I'm not shopping for an new ICE vehicle, at all. An EV9 is not as efficient as a Prologue/Blazer EV. 800v architecture or not. Look up the EPA efficiency numbers. I also don't really care about charging speeds. I've said this in the past. If I'm not charging at home 99% of the time, it isn't worth buying an EV. You lose nearly all fuel savings. I genuinely understand the wanting the newest tech statement. I really do. I almost always go that way as well, but if the tech has no advantage for me, it really doesn't matter.

Well I'm not comparing the price of an EV to a comparable ICE vehicle. I'm comparing it to the ICE that I currently have that is not a 35k car payment + gas. It's a $175 payment + gas. ~500/month in total. I'm not looking to increase my monthly costs to avoid gas. That simply is not worth it.

And that's why I'm not looking at those. I can easily find Prologues and Blazer EVs for 30k. I can find base models of each for 25k, but I like my niceties. A 35k loan (roughly the difference from my Navigator and 42k purchase price) is approaching $700/month. That's spending about $200 more a month than I am now with $175 payment + gas. That's nowhere close (in my opinion) to netting out. As gas comes down, the equation gets further apart. Yes, part of the point of this is to avoid the fluctuation of gas prices, but near-$700/mo isn't the way.

Anything worth a damn is over 40k, and I'm just not going to spend 40k on something that will depreciate like an EV9 will. It will be a heck of a buy at 25-30k, but not at 40-45k.

I really need to. I need to just find one local to even do that with though. EVs aren't all that prevalent around here..

The Bolt really checks every single box for cheap commuter. I’m genuinely trying to get over the atrocious shape/looks because it does everything else I’m looking for with being cheap. Before oil shot up, you could find a Bolt for 10k or even less. Of course, that wasn’t all of them, but it wasn’t uncommon to find one listed for 10k. Now that I think of it though, I think that was before the federal rebate went away and I know some dealerships were throwing the 4k used credit onto their pricing, so maybe it was all just that. Either way, 10k would be perfect.

Yeah, I'm still torn on if I want to buy a small EV as a commuter and keep the Navigator or go with something larger like a Prologue, Blazer EV, Model Y and just replace the Navigator. If it wasn't replacing the Navigator, it wouldn't need to be AWD and I'd really only look for things that get 120+ miles of range(which is why the Focus and eGolf caught my eye). FWIW, $15,000 seems to be about the last point of savings. Going beyond that and it really isn't much savings. A 25k commuter isn't going to save anything. It's just pushing the money from the oil companies to a dealership and bank.

I'm not sure how I feel about the Equinox EV. I realize it's pretty damn similar in size to the Blazer EV/Prologue, per spec sheets, but I feel like it has to feel smaller in person, otherwise I don't understand the point of both. I'm already going to miss the 3rd row (not for the seats, but for the space) and am afraid of getting something a little too small and regretting it. I just wish the freakin Blazer EV would have CarPlay. Oh, I also wish it didn't have the stupidest charge door in the industry. Considering it'll be parked outside, that's a genuine concern for me when it's 0 degrees and sleeting.

What's the X8 supposed to be? Even larger or "coupe" shaped X7?

Yep. That's why it makes so much sense to me. Bad MPG + decent commute = actual possible savings with an EV.

I agree, which is why I said they'd be "similar". But I guess what kind of savings over 15 years would the Model 3 net you? What're you thinking? I also expect the Model 3 to have overall savings, but 15 years is a long time and if it only ends up like 2k in savings, that's pretty negligible for that period of time.

Yep, I didn't even mention the purchase price difference. I'd think those two TOTAL COSTS over 15 years would actually be pretty similar when you factor in price and insurance. Agreed, that it wasn't fair to either, just in different ways.

I'd argue this isn't exactly a "very good" comparison. I don't like when they throw in maintenance and just say "routine maintenance" will cost $XXX. That's so broad. What kind of routine maintenance will cost 6k for a Model 3 over 180k miles? 3 sets of tires and one set of brakes? $7300 for maintenance on a Corolla? I'm sure that's following the book on oil changes, a transmission and coolant flush. Are they assuming a full suspension overhaul at that mileage for both cars? Oh yeah, they didn't even mention the Corolla's fuel economy that they used for their numbers. Or national average insurance rates for both vehicles. I'm sure it's considerably more expensive to insure a Model 3 than a Corolla. I just feel like blanket comparison like this always leave a lot out and aren't actually "good comparisons". They're just *A* comparison.

24k + gas will never pay for itself, in my situation. I'd also be using a little bit of gas every day, so it wouldn't go bad for me. Also, I thought Volts would periodically run automatically just to fully heat up and burn old gas, if they're being run "too much" on battery alone. In my situation, the Hyundai Ionic Electric fits the bill as well. 125 miles of range and roughly the same price of an E Golf/Volt. I believe the Kona Electric was Kia's version of the Ionic Electric.

Oh I agree, but if I'm spending that much, I'd just make the jump to a Prologue(it's a little bigger than a Mach-E) to replace my Navigator. A Bolt/e golf/Volt/Leaf is something that I'd buy as a 2nd vehicle just to commute to and from work. I'm not a huge fan of leases either. If I didn't drive so much, I think a lease would work though. I think a 20k mile lease would make the payment on even a cheap EV pretty high. I did sit in one a few weeks ago when my Navigator had recall work done. They're not toooo small.

Wouldn't a Volt fall into the same category of abandoned-by-manufacturer vehicles though? I'm also not sure how I'd feel about going hybrid and completely charging and completely draining the battery every day. I feel like that would degrade the battery quicker and then I'm still relying on gas, albeit a very small amount. About 10-15 miles worth, if the online estimates of highway EV range are accurate of 40-45 miles of highway EV range. I drive 60 miles but it isn't all interstate speeds so I think the drive to the interstate wouldn't be too inefficient for an EV(about half the drive - I should actually get the exact mileage breakdown as I'm curious now). Of the 30.2 miles to work, 12.4 miles is a two lane 55mph road. There are a couple intersections within that where I'd stop and regen a bit, but not a ton.

Then a part of me just says save up and wait a couple years for a new Scout. They're big enough to replace the Navigator, they're all electric (I have no interest in the range extended ICE hybrid version), and they look freakin cool.

My only issue with the Bolt is... have you looked at them? I'd consider a Leaf if I didn't care at all what it looked like. The Bolt isn't completely out of the running, but I'm not sure if I can get over how it looks.

I'd need 20k+ miles/year of a lease now that I've driving to work and not taking a bus. ID4 does nothing for me. My goal is for the EV to pay for itself by being less than I'm spending in gas per month. I don't know what a lease for 20k miles and needs to be like $200-250/month payment is. Anything more than that and it doesn't really seem like the value is there when I'm paying $175 for my Navigator and ~$80/week in gas. That's right around $520/month for everything. I don't know. I just know I'd want it to pay for itself and not by like $50/month. I'd want to see a significant savings in total. The current lease offers for an EV9 Wind AWD is $489/mo + 4k down and that's for 10,000 miles a year. The E Golf and Focus electric both fit what I want/need from something this size and both are compliance autos. I don't mind that, but the Focus electric has a pretty bad issue of coolant lines leaking into the battery pack and destroying that. The E Golf is air cooled, which I don't exactly love, but it seems to be a more reliable vehicle. It's also a Golf and that's a pretty solid vehicle to start from and it doesn't compromise interior space for a battery, like the Focus does.

Yeah, this whole situation has risen the prices of anything I've been looking at by a couple/few grand so I'm more on hold for EV shopping now. I've kind of shifted to wanting a 2017+ VW E Golf as a work commuter and hold onto my Navigator for my family. The problem with that is; because they only sold them in California, they're hard to find and they're mostly not too close to me. The closest right now is in Ohio and about 280 miles away. For a vehicle that only has 125 miles of range (when new and not highway miles) that's a long drive home.

I believe Ford's new platform and mid-size/compact truck are supposed to be LFP chemistry. It's good to know their degradation curve are even better for the consumer.