Croc

I LOVE ALFA!!! I'm getting one...

Gotta love Lordstown build quality... Too bad, Cobalts are otherwise good vehicles.

160k would rob the Camaro of any aspirational value. Limit supply, increase demand, increase profits. 160k is sustainable for bread and butter products, and as necessary as the Camaro is to inject some life into GM, it is still a niche product. Even if demand were 160k, it wouldn't last at those levels for a 5 year run (I'm actually gonna guess Camaro will be closer to a 7 or 8 year run with a light MCE in there...just speculation though). ETA: Especially given the retro muscle car segment is getting divided up...Dodge, Ford, GM are all vying for a piece of the pie.

Wow, it isn't healthy to harbor so much ill will toward me. My posts increase your blood pressure? That's not good. You should see your doctor. Or maybe you should stop harassing me online like I have asked you to numerous times. I think it's hilarious you give me so much power that just my mere posting is enough to send you into a tizzy. You need to get over it, buddy.

HONK!!

No you're not...? I'm pretty sure I'm younger than you, but not by much.Oh, and for the clarification of the newbies...I'm a business major, and last I checked I was talking about the business/product decisions of GM... BAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK TO THE MALIBU I think the real question is what GM is going to do regarding the MAXX or a MAXX-like vehicle. They need a wagon of some kind, whether it be a Chevrolet or a Saturn. My vote goes to Saturn, since VW sells 'em.

I have a friend who loves diesels (he's a Benz-o-phile), and I asked him about that a week or so ago when Fly showed me that pic on AIM... Yea, the thing about diesels is that they have pretty tight specifications, hence why they are much more expensive to build; they require tighter tolerances than gasoline engines. The same is true with their maintenance. The fuel filter and air filter have to be changed every 12-18 months, and failure to do so could result in the black buildup. Also, diesel blends do vary, and some blends have kerosene in them. This car was in FL though, so unless it did some serious fuel filling in NY it shouldn't have had that as a factor. Frankly I like the idea of it being obvious when you neglect a car...with gas engines it's rarely visible when maintenance has been $h!ty...only with blue exhaust from really old oil. Heh...with diesels, you literally get a black mark for not practicing proper maintenance.

Nope, you're right as rain! I got a nice chuckle out of that when I read it...

I found 2 billion coupes...but no sedans...people just don't seem to be as willing to brag about them. I disagree on your assessment of interior space...I am quite comfortable in my M-Class, my father's DTS, and his DHS. The most uncomfortable Caddy we have is actually the 1980 Sedan de Ville...the ergonomics are just off.

No, not the N-Body Classic...this is a true classic...or in this case a true blue classic. WOW...what a ways we've come since the 1970s with regards to interior packaging...some "midsizer" lol those things are looooooooooooooooong It's a 4-dr...and therefore I cannot find pics to tell you what generation it is...but I am guessing it's from the early-mid 1970s...so take your pic. Kinda cool...but its a BARGE

Thank God

I think so...which is why I think anyone wanting to know how it will handle should find out when their Saturn dealership is getting its first shipment and then test drive one.For GM's sake, I hope AURA handles well and doesn't make its origins all too apparent. Even though this is just a 3-year run at most, GM cannot afford to tarnish the AURA name with substandard product, though the interior isn't helping things.

Eh...they're aight. I agree that those aren't the best representatives from the segment. EDIT: the Astra looks great. I hope we get it here...you know, Saturn used to have an S wagon...

A week before they go on sale.

No, if you haven't noticed, I'm pretty much always rather blunt. Where have you been the past 5 years?

I still disagree. Refresh the front fascia into more of the horse-collar grille look (like the MAXX concept from a few years ago) that will complement the Camaro and other Chevrolets better. The profile just needs to lose those weird trailing creases from the wheel wells. The rear is just a big old mess. Really, the rear and interior are the areas in need of the most help. The front just needs another grille/bumper. MCE. I'd love for GM to prove me wrong, though...but this is a cash-strapped organization here. Reality is your friend.

Agreed. If it's glass, well it looks like GM caught up to VW circa 1998.

Lights got traumatized and you should get new turn signals?

Why? AURA isn't Vectra...yet.Anyone wanting to know how AURA drives should go to your dealer lot and drive one.

OC: Do you realize how many posts you just posted contiguously? You even quoted yourself...seriously...condense it. Get everything into one or two posts.

I don't think it's that bad. Is it a beauty queen? No, but it's decent. Again, though, interiors carry more weight with consumers than exteriors. Look at Camry sales as proof.

Yea...GM internal documents are all a load of bull$h! Believe what you want; I really couldn't care less. As always, we will see who is right and who is not in a few short months :AH-HA_wink:

Why wouldn't I be? This was a redesign that was scaled back. I will be surprised (in a good way) if it is more than what I outlined above, especially given its 3-yr cycle. Just no point in committing that much money to a glorified MCE.

I'm getting a real Mazda Tribute vibe outta that rear...