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I could see them limiting the legalization to pot...but the others wow that's a bit much IMO.

Um, no one else posted between him and me...derr of course no one else brought it up What are you trying to pin me down on? Seriously...it's ridiculous to perpetuate this. There were multiple questions in his posts. Some were addressed by the first part of mine, and the last couple were related to the last part of my post. There were 2 Nomads. One in 2000 that was universally praised and well-received, then there was the 2004 that was almost as universally panned. One was likely "flushed" and the other has been hinted by GM that they might want to bring it to production, though that is unlikely now given the amount of time that has passed since 2000 and the Camaro of 2006 (sitting in a drawer somewhere, ignored). Since he didn't specify which Nomad concept, I did not assume either, and simply asked. So what's with the third degree, Ven? If it isn't clear to you now, then please PM me...or better yet just drop it because it isn't a big deal at all (though its continuation is beginning to irritate me) and I fail to see why you are continuing this tangential and inconsequential discussion.

Again...I wasn't confused at all. Those were two separate thoughts...???

I think you misinterpreted my post. The main point was that those were one-off concept cars and were not engineered for production. As such, very little actual engineering went into them, hence no money wasted.That was the first part of my post. The second was asking which Nomad he was referring to, since the first one tended to be much more popular than the second with a lot of enthusiasts asking for that one to be produced on Kappa. It really wasn't an unreasonable question. Either way, it does not change my response regarding Kappa variants.

Curve and Nomad were concept cars...not much actual engineering going into those one-off cars. Which Nomad, by the way? The one from like 99 or 00 with the A-pillar side mirrors...that design predated Kappa by a lot...

Because we want GM to have more conquest sales. Ever sit in a Honda Pilot? Lotta attention to detail...it really makes you feel valued as a customer. Also...see my post in the SATURN AURA DEMONSTRATES REFINEMENT or whatever it's called thread.....on the two houses...maybe then you'll get it more clearly.

DAH!! Got to that before I was able to edit it out...

*sigh* Chris, I'm not accusing you of anything, simply reminding everyone that little final changes are made before introduction. One recent example is the Ford Edge spy photo you shot. It appears to be in approximately the same stage of testing as the Silverado. Below:http://www.thecarconnection.com/images/gal...ETEPJFYZGOD.jpg Actual interior: http://us.tnpv.net/2006/WKA200601/WKA2006010776330_pv.jpg The differences are minor, but the silver plastic is slightly different (weird horizontal striping in the spy shot) and there is slightly more of it on the center stack, particularly where the stack meets the console. Steering wheel redundancy controls also are not shiny and black in the final version. Again, minor change in trim, but nevertheless they do happen. Another example of a running change...remember the Bel Air concept? There were several differences between the concept's press photos and the actual show car...some quite obvious. Lutz even said at the time that he made some quick last-minute changes to help get the details right.

We've seen before with many models that interior trim pieces are not always finalized until the official debut, including many vehicles you have shot.Call me a hopeless optimist, but I really doubt GM would be stupid enough to release a truck with THAT MUCH of a sea of charcoal gray plastic. It just isn't going to happen. As dumb as GM can be sometimes, I really don't believe they are THAT STUPID. 2007 Tahoe LS: Instead of the wood trim, it uses metallic trim...I expect the Silverado LS to include a few metallic inserts, especially around the center stack.

*Shelves that* My main point still stands: this is not entirely indicative of the appearance of the final interior trim pieces, no matter how low the trim level. I would be shocked to see this much charcoal plastic in the final release. Not even the lowliest Tahoe has this much charcoal plastic.

It doesn't even matter about the trim pieces. This is clearly a mule...GM is NOT going to waste money on installing trim pieces in test mules. Also, some suppliers might not be ready with the actual pieces yet so they may not even be in existence. I say this interior looks promising...but there better be a lot less charcoal plastic in the final incarnation. The center stack looks pretty well-integrated, though I see a few preproduction panel gaps...

Oh, no, don't get me wrong...the J-cars have a lot of character and you just cannot kill them...if they held up better in crashes they'd be great. Still, anything's better than a Blazer in that regard (except that one Chinese SUV...good grief!!)

Guys... I know you're really smarter than this. Read what Edmunds wrote again, particularly regarding the next-gen ION. Now...you have to ask yourself what Edmunds actually received as legit info and what they pulled out of their asses: that the SAAB will be on the same platform as the ION replacement, or that the SAAB will be on Delta. There is NO problem in my mind of one platform spawning 3 vehicles: Cobalt ION/Astra 9-1 Does anyone forsee a Pontiac variant with the redesign? I don't. GM certainly seems reluctant to give Pontiac any more FWD compacts...

Just don't get into an accident with the Sunfire...

oh dear god no...

Looks a lot like a Sebring.

That's funny...what's DCX gonna do with their LX cars? PT? I call bull$h!.

Generally I agree...but that's what this site does best...have you seen the number of "what if" threads on Oldsmobile?

Well, seeing as it was just released for 2006, yes. It prolly could have been ready though in an additional 12 to 18 months. It really wouldn't have seemed as long if GM hadn't kept showing it at autoshows and revealing the production version a year before its release, though...

Who was that? I recognize, but do not recall...

Does the quality of plastics really matter in how it functions? No. That said, customers can tell by looking at the materials if they are quality, and that adds to their unquantifiable perception of the car as either a POS or as worthy of their purchasing dollars. Let's use an analogy: You are in the market for a new home. You are looking at two midsized houses in two identical neighborhoods with the commutes, schools, parks, etc...everything quantifiable is identical. The home prices are even within a few grand of each other. For the most part...these two homes are the same. Both homes are made of stucco. Both are coral. Same layout. Everything is the same from a quantifiable standpoint here too. You step inside. Both homes have drywall. Home #1 has painted drywall, while Home #2 has a textured drywall finish. Home #1 has matte white finished appliances, while Home #2 has the exact same appliances, but with the stainless steel finish. Home #1 has laminate countertops, while Home #2 has granite countertops. The plumbing fixtures in Home #1 are all your standard-issue type, like the kind you could find at the high-end line at Home Depot. Home #2 has plumbing fixtures from Kohler, in an antique brass finish. Home #1 has a poured concrete patio and walkway, while Home #2 also has concrete, but with aggregate added. Home #1 has a track light system in the living room, as does Home #2, but with a dimmer switch. I could go on, but priced the same, everyone would pick Home #2. Functionally, the lights turn on and off, the patio/walkway is walkable, plumbing fixtures work, appliances are the same, countertops are countertops, and drywall is drywall. Quantifiably they are the same (OK OK you can cut on granite countertops without a cutting board, but ignore that), yet the extra details...that dimmer switch, textured drywall, aggregated concrete, premium finishes, etc...they just add to that overall ambience of quality. They make the customer feel cared about and appreciated. GM is Home #1 and Honda is Home #2. Quantifiably the same...but the overall attention to detail in a Honda woos more buyers than the general lack of attention to detail in the more utilitarian GMs.

The materials aren't that great. I've seen more convincing fake wood from the 1980s.

The more I look at this car (interior--exterior is fine) the more and more of a missed opportunity it becomes in my eyes.

No, we are looking at 5 years from date of greenlighting. SKY/Solstice will likely have a long run so GM can get some profits out of this damn turkey of a platform.

Since there isn't any strange...water... coming from the sky making everything gross and moist...yea I love LA...