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Firstly, it is the NG CTS. I can confirm that. Secondly, that is the Euro spec STS we've seen. STS isn't getting refreshed any time soon to my knowledge...it just debuted as a 2005 model! The only reason the SRX gets the 2007 freshening is because its NG program was pushed back to MY2009 while the CTS is still on target for MY2008.

Wait til the camo comes off, ok cynic? Northie: the article mentions both V6 and V8 capabilities...so I would assume the Outlook is the same (referring to the other thread).

I had a post in this thread that got deleted or eaten by the board... As I said before, I think it looks very nice and attractive. From the Edmunds blurb, it appears to be an attractive package with all the right features. I need to see an interior and rear shot, though, before I can endorse it, but that I think it could be popular. Is this on a Ford platform? The headlights kind of give me an Edge vibe for some reason. I hope so...Ford needs greater commonality of platforms. I think they wasted a lot of money having the Mazda6 on its own platform while heavily revising it for the Fusion/Milan/MKZ. No sense. Have them all on one or the other, greater economies of scale, and greater profits.

I never heard of an aspartame-Cancer risk...but it does cause other problems that are well-documented.

Oops, you're right. The Maxima didn't go FWD until 1985, one model year later than his. My bad.But that Seville he loved so much wasn't RWD.

I really don't give a rat's ass about the DOHC/VVT/HF etc...But the 3800 isn't the only stellar GM engine that lasts and lasts. The 3800 simply has inadequate power and a lack of refinement for the class of cars it is placed in. The refinement is the real kicker here, as I would otherwise be fine with it being a top engine in the compacts. With the new, more refined, V6 out, GM should switch over to it as the new base engine. If they want to make the 3800 a no-cost option, fine, but it should not be standard in any vehicle as it is just not competitive with the competition's V6s.

Can't wait to see Josh's take on this

Have you ever thought of becoming an Evangelical Christian Minister?

Does your Plan address this since you just acknowledged its necessity?

Exactly, so you're really talking out of your butt on things you know absolutely nothing about, once again. I really don't care what you heard from Walter Cronkite, you were not there, you do not have access to internal documents, and you do not know what it was like.I am not a war hawk, but I am also not a conspiracy theorist like you. The leaders of our nation are not intentionally leading us all to ruin; they really do have the nation's best interests at heart even though I may vehemently oppose their tactics or actions of accomplishing their goals. Vietnam was a new kind of war. The U.S. was not used to fighting a war like that; in many ways they still aren't fully up to the task. THAT SAID, the government is very much like a surgeon or doctor...even if the patient is likely not going to do well, they have an obligation to play up the positives because surgery, like war, is at least 50% mental. If you think you're going to win, you're more likely to triumph because the patients/public are more enthusiastic about the surgery/war and are more likely to give it their all when they are fighting the cancer/war. Were we in Vietnam too long? Oh, most definitely, but the issue is not so black and white. There were many politically-charged issues with pulling out of the war: Americans had never really lost a war, except for the half of the nation that lost the Civil War. Also, pulling out would be a sign of weakness to our allies and other nations around the world. We were in the midst of a Cold War with Russia and had very little idea what was going on in their side of the Iron Curtain. We now know America was soundly advanced of the Soviets, but this was NOT known at the time, and it really was best to take a conservative approach that the Soviets could and would expand Communism in politically turmoiled nations, which at that time was a direct threat to American interests and the beginning of America's globalization. Of course, I don't really expect you to understand the complex nature of the politics surrounding the Vietnam War because you have repeatedly demonstrated a severe lack of knowledge of the complexities involving the automotive industry, which in turn is infinitely less complicated than international politics during warfare.

It is now, compared to the competition.See, it's a moving target. What was great and class-leading even 5 years ago is just average now. It says a lot, though, that GM has had an engine since the 1960s that is only uncompetitive 40 years later...how many automakers can claim that?

Where were you stationed in Vietnam, Buickman?

Allante owners love their cars; that's why it is so hard to find a pre-owned Allante and then if/when you do, why they are still so expensive. Allantes only have a few electronic issues in the early models and some of the soft tops leaked in the rain, but those were addressed by the second generation as well as getting the Northstar. There isn't anything wrong with an Allante.You need to just stop it with the anti-FWD crap. Toronados and Rivieras are well respected vehicles within the automotive enthusiast community and you didn't hear anyone bitching about their drivetrain setup back in the 1960s through the mid-1980s. So get a clue. BTW, is your Datsun RWD? Didn't think so. Neither is your Cobalt.

because people are at work sometimes...and at work people generally have the sound off on their comps and/or use headphones...whereas a pic is viewable to a boss walking by a cubicle. any other questions?

The cars debuted in 1988. Originally the platform was to debut in 1986 with the same cars; it just got pushed back though I believe the platform engineering was finished by 86...so 20 years old.

A vapid article posted by a vapid poster. Hasn't Lutz said he doesn't want to be CEO? He already has enough influence within the company as-is...

I'm so sick of The Simpsons. That show was cool back in 1996.

I love how it says LOVA aveo on the trunk!

I don't know what renderings you saw, but the several I got only featured the interior and rear. If you saw anything else please PM me and let me know.

Also, the grille and headlights look production-ready. The interior isn't quite yet, but overall I'd say this is def a 90% production model.

It's gotta be an unfinished clay model. I've seen the renderings, and unless they decided to make the rear really bland, that isn't the finished rear. The interior matches exactly the renderings I've seen. Great job Caddy!

The current one? Well, let's just say I wouldn't be caught dead in one...

OMG!!!!!!!!! The Imaj is my FAVORITE Cadillac concept! Wooooo I'm watching this for SURE!

Sounds like you still end up with a raw deal.

Still gotta keep up with it so you don't miss all your TV programing.