G. David Felt

I understand the business approach you are looking at. I have to assume besides city government dictation of using these kinds of trucks that they can at least break even on the trucks. Knowing that electric power trains have less maintenance and longer lives like CNG/LNG motors also have that they will have the truck on the road as much as possible 7 days a week. Will be interesting to follow this and see what the break even point is in years. @ccap41 So revisited their web site, seems they have in addition to this class 6 a class 3 Ford Transit EV van. Both auto's are looked at beating the cost of Diesel over their expected 10 year useful life. Interesting. ?

You might not live or work in a dense growing city, but with the explosive growth of west coast cities, the demand by the public for quiet streets, delivery trucks, reduced polution is the key point in what is driving a move to CNG/LNG or EV Delivery trucks. Since most of these trucks will outlast even a diesel, it makes sense. Especially makes sense with the cities pushing fuel free mass transit buses by mid 2020 to 2030. I see delivery trucks also going that way for all local delivers. UPS and FedEx have also bought many trucks like this from various companies to test out the tech though right now CNG/LNG is the bigger investment by them. I do admit that it would be interesting to find out the cost that the first company is paying per truck for this EV hauler.

Amazing as to the how narrow / closed minded you are. There is no need for a loud diesel belching toxic smoke driving truck in the inner cities for delivery's. Even in the suburbs many auto's can be replaced by a 100 mile range delivery auto. Perfect example of where we are reducing green house gas by replacing traditional ICE with CNG/LNG or electric auto's is our postal service. https://www.uspsoig.gov/sites/default/files/document-library-files/2018/NL-AR-18-003.pdf Latest report shows how much is being saved for a vehicle that drives on average of only 50 miles per day. The latest reports for urban delivery and freight mobility also proves out this less than 100 miles once the freight has come to the city. https://ops.fhwa.dot.gov/publications/fhwahop18020/index.htm The proof is all over in how little these trucks actually drive in the city and with Electric, they are using no energy when making a delivery or picking up a load. The engines sit there unlike the waste of diesel as the trucks are left idling.

I have to disagree, companies that need to do suburban deliveries will have Diesel or CNG / LNG delivery trucks. Here you see in SODO our warehouse district these kinds of trucks where the long haul semi's come in and the product gets split up for inner city delivery and then the suburbs are put on other trucks and out they all go working just fine.

So based on other sites, seems the lone 2.0T 4 banger puts out the following specs: 2.-liter turbo diesel engine which could create 236 horsepower and 368 lb-ft of torque Gas is 201hp but no info on lb-ft of torque.

I have to wonder how many more this will get expanded too, usually if a short cut like this is done on one model line, it usually is also done on the other models that use supplies from the same manufacture.

Around here I see these type of trucks doing inner city delivery's for produce, fruit, office supplies, tech equipment, etc.

Two be expected, Passat sales are not super here and to build and support a V6 in a world where taxation stupidity is on the size of the engine is also stupid, so they build for Europe and China and the rest of the world gets left over's. Maybe they will offer a 300hp hybrid as a replacement to the V6. ?‍♂️

As the company is marketing it, inner city service. So local deliveries where you usually are no more than 50-60 miles a day in driving. This truck makes perfect sense for that.

https://api.motorsport.tv/embed/Qx5fZf2h-mil-spec-hummer-h1 Very cool video on a new builder of H1 Hummers with the Duramax Diesel motor. 520HP 1000 lb-ft of torque and a 0-60 time of 5.5 seconds. These Hummers Rock! :D

NY is pushing the EV agenda with requiring loading docks, inner city people transport, etc. to have charging stations. Be interesting to see how this plays out in the oncoming years.

I totally agree with you as it would be better to say all 80kWh batteries charge to full in 10 min. 90kWh batteries charge to full in 11 min and 100 kWh batteries in 12 min. Totally agree with you that that is better, but Tesla started this and everyone else is using their yardstick to measure their own EV by.

One thing is that the VW payout is already doing the XFS charging units with liquid cooled charge cords. So these are 800V Xtreme Fast Charging. XFS. These are following the industry standard SAE J1772 plug standard and with XFS ads CCS which is 2 additional plugs. All the work being done by the auto companies are in making their battery packs accept the fast charge and properly condition and manage the life of the battery and range. They will not be building their own charging networks like Tesla. They will use the network being installed now by Electrify America, the subsidiary set up by VW to build our electric infrastructure. In regards to your question about why how many miles per min of charging, Tesla has started this as they have quoted their cars and CUVs in miles per minute charging on their supercharger system. As such everyone else is stating what they will do better than tesla in the same terms that people have come to expect. You are not understanding that Electrify America is already installing and building the liquid cooled XFS chargers. The work GM is doing is much like every other auto company. How do they build denser batteries, build the control modules and conditioner for the battery to allow it to take a xtreme fast charge and not degrade the battery. See my response above to CCAP41.

Bloomberg is reporting that Delta Americas has a three year project with GM to develop GM's new fast charging system. This would recharge a battery with 180 miles in less than 10 min or 360 miles in less than 20 minutes. This is a quicker recharge than Tesla's own Supercharging system. With GM having 20 electric vehicles on sale by 2023, GM is wanting to be on top of the go to for best recharge rate. Currently Tesla is 6 min of charging time per mile, Porsche has committed to 12.4 miles per min of recharge as has BMW and Mercedes-Benz. GM has committed to 18 miles per min minimum of recharge time. Per GM, customers have stated very clearly that recharging of an electric auto needs to replicate filling a gas tank. This becomes even more important for those that live in a city where they will not have a garage or dedicated slow charging outlet and need to park on the street or use a recharger at work. In the suburbs, this is not such a critical issue as most people can easily recharge in their own driveway or garage. Currently Tesla markets recharging their batteries to full in 30 min at one of their supercharger stations. The Chevrolet Bolt recharges 90 miles of range in 30 min at a fast charge station. GM in addition to working with Delta Americas on faster recharging of their battery system for electric auto's has just announced a $28 million investment into their Suburban Detroit R&D Lab for denser batteries to take advantage of their extreme fast charging system and increasing the range of the battery packs. Update to this story: To clarify, GM is not trying to develop their own charging infrastructure, like all other OEMs, a fast charging system is made up of the battery, controllers and conditioning of the battery system to handle an xtreme fast charge in just minutes. Electrify America is already installing a national Xtreme Fast Charger system. The OEMs have to figure out how to handle a fast charge coming into the auto. Condition and handle the heat build up of the battery pack for long life and proper battery management via an onboard controller. The fact that GM like everyone else is finally investing in how to allow a battery system / electrical system to handle the high power movement is what this is all about. Bloomberg story Automotive News Story

Agree, I hope they are properly planning that too, it would make sense to have the fast DC chargers at the dock so loading / unloading while charging are done in sync.

So Mercedes copied Ford for a superior aerodynamic.

Maybe it is the Day After of when the next ice age will start! ?‍♂️

All the 1's and 0's maybe it is telling you someone in your household needs to work in the computer industry.

Could hit the DC charger while having lunch and recharge half the miles in 30 min.

Went back reread it and then checked the other EV sites and the loaded range was stated on the other sites. My bad, have to infer like you and @Cubical-aka-Moltar that based on the route and driver. Agree, goes out full comes back empty. Still see this as an inner city delivery and pickup truck so the 110 range I expect to be totally doable on a daily bases.

http://www.thedrive.com/new-cars/23343/2018-jeep-grand-cherokee-trackhawk-is-the-most-hellish-hellcat Very cool real video of track time in the Jeep GC Trackhawk. Love it. LOL, too funny in the Touchscreen Haters tour of the Tesla Model 3. http://www.thedrive.com/video/23350/a-touchscreen-haters-tour-of-the-tesla-model-3-touchscreen

Yes just a few hundred units overall, but from 6,845 to 9,339 is a big increase and your right X3 is the bulk of that growth.

According to the press release, 110 miles of a fully loaded truck. Focus is on inner city distribution with no nose or engine emissions. I think that is pretty good for moving up to 26,000 lbs. Better than the last cab over electric truck we discussed that was used on the east coast by the newspaper industry.

Bosch has announced that they will show at the IAA Commercial Vehicles show in Hannover Germany that they will have an E-mobility package for semi trailers. This package is expected to save truck drivers $11,574 dollars a year on refrigerated trailers. Bosch calculates this will save up to 238 gallons a year in fuel consumption and with the Boost function can save even more especially in going over mountain passes helping to reduce the CO2 emissions. Additional benefits is regenerative braking which will help with a quieter slowdown of a semi, longer brake life, hill assist starts and ascents. Bosch has also stated that they are looking into using this for automated parking of trailers in lots and remote control of trailers in ports and shipping destinations where movement of trailers in very short distances can be better optimized over having human truck drivers. Bosch Press Release

Lightning systems announced today with it's first 50 unit order the all new Chevrolet 6500XD Class 6 zero emission cab forward cargo truck. This truck is available in 19,501 to 26,000 pound GVWR. The truck has a 110 mile range and Zeem Solutions out of California is the first customer to purchase and put into city deliveries this truck. The Chevrolet 6500XD offers a 295 horsepower motor with 2-speed Eaton automatic transmission providing 1,821 ft-lbs of torque in first gear with a 65 mph top speed, 5 year, 60,000 mile warranty on the powertrain. The trucks come with regenerative braking, liquid-cooled lithium-ion battery system, and a DC fast charging system achieving full recharge from zero in 3 hours. The trucks come with Lightning Analytics, a cloud-based analytics system that provides predictive maintenance, route scoring, range analysis, driver behavior and geofencing for maximizing range and efficiency. The analytics system provides fleets with real-time information allowing for peak efficiency in operating the truck fleet. Lightning Systems Press Release