I am not a huge Buick fan but I would ask smk to ride in a new Buick Lucerne CXL V8 or CXS and bet he finds it very impressive quality and all. Or better yet drive a new Enclave. Buick has proven they can do it, and be a poor mans Lexus. Yes a Lucerne CXS pushes right over 40K with options, well into Lexus territory. Don't know what he is talking about. Yeah sales have gone down but Buick's reliability is one of the best in the industry and with good new products like the Lucerne and Enclave I have ALOT of hope for Buick. In fact in 2004 if you would have asked me the same question I would have said kill that old fart brand. I have even toyed with getting an Enclave CX or Lucerne CXL! I would watch what you say and suggest you drive and spend some time in an excellent new Buick product before you bash so much. There is light at the end of the tunnel. With the new China developed (I would assume good looking) Regal and various other products like the new Park Avenue on the way BUICK WILL LIVE! And might become a more young hip Lexus-ish brand but uhh thats right older people don't drive Lexus's right? WRONG you see them all the time... Go ahead call them an old fart brand too. Think before you speak. Simple and DON'T DIS ANY BRAND ON A GM FORUM! THAT IS MY ADVICE. I don't love Saturn but I certainly don't bash them. They even are getting better. Saab actually is making GM money can turn into an Audi/Volvo beater if they keep working on it. The 2003 9-3 actually gave me hope as did the somewhat washed out 2006 9-5. Good products can erase bad images Buick has some good ones like GNX, GSX, Riv and even the old Supers. Buick heritage is rich time to cash in on it. And with Buick China being a huge success you can bet you will see more modern looking and luxurious Buick's here in the states because of them. Buick China is in part saving Buick America. With almost a million sales and the on-onslaught of the imports and a dying demographic at the time they had no place to go but down. But trust me with products like the Lucerne and Enclave they can turn around. There is even an owner on this forum who owns two BMW's and a Lucerne they can do it... Don't even start bashing BMW...