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Saturn as a concept was flawed from the beginning. Why would GM create an import fighting brand with a unique working relationship with the UAW when they should have been employed that basic strategy across the entire company. Instead they wasted billions in the process and have nothing to show for it.

...and starting at $22,995 for an LS and $30,995 for an SS.

+1 to that!!! The level of execution is far behind what we're used to from GM. You'll all flip when you see it in person on the streets, it's ridiculous! Pictures don't do it justice.

You'd think otherwise if you've actually seen it in person. The Mustang is pure junk inside, even in pre-production trim, this Camaro was far nicer and had much better materials.

Holy cow... pictures don't do it justice! I just got back from the unveil and to see it in person and in natural lighting is phenomenal. If anyone is in the Detroit area, just head down to Main Street in Royal Oak and it'll be out in public for all to see.

C'mon guys, anyway think of questioning the authenticity of these photos? Jalopnik only care about getting hits from getting information and photos out, not its accuracy. The upper right-hand photo is the most damning, indicating that these are fakes and proxies as part of the survey. Compare the rear window slope versus existing spy photos of the actual car and you can see the huge difference. GM is not stupid enough to let actual photos of the production car go out on some print survey material.

I wouldn't put to much into the VRX name.

SWEET FIND!!! The C7 out testing already!!! And it's a Harley-Davidson edition too! Way to go GM for scooping that away from Ford!

GM Production Schedule Through 2013! Production Commitments At GM Assembly Facilities Major truck/SUV developments Major car developments Arlington, Texas *GMT-900 truck and SUV continued until 2012 *C3XX full-sized truck and SUV replacement beginning 2013 Bowling Green, KY *Corvette and Cadillac XLR continue until 2011 *Corvette and XLR replacement products beginning 2012 Detroit Hamtramck, Mich. *Buick Lucerne and Cadillac DTS continue until 2010 *Global Delta MPV7 beginning in 2009 *Global Delta Volt beginning in 2010 *Global Epsilon Chevrolet beginning in 2012 Fairfax, KS *Chevrolet Malibu and Saturn Aura continue until 2011 *Global Epsilon Buick and Saturn beginning in 2009 *Chevrolet large 4-door notchback beginning in 2010 Flint, Mich. *GMT-900 full-sized truck and heavy-duty commercial cab until 2011 *GMT-900 medium-duty truck continues until 2008 *C3XX full-sized truck and heavy-duty commercial cab beginning in 2012 Fort Wayne, Ind. *GMT-900 full-sized truck and light-duty pickup continues through 2011 *C3XX full-sized truck and light-duty pickup replacement product beginning in 2012 Janesville, Wis. *GMT-900 full-sized truck and SUV continues until 2012 *Medium-duty truck continues until 2009 *C3XX full-sized truck and SUV replacement for current GMT-900 full-sized truck and SUV products beginning in 2013 Lansing Delta Township, Mich. *GMC, Saturn and Buick Lambda products continue until 2011 *GMC, Saturn and Buick Lambda replacement products beginning in 2012 *Chevrolet Lambda product beginning in 2011 Lansing Grand River, Mich. *Cadillac CTS, Cadillac STS and Cadillac SRX continue through 2009 *Cadillac CTS wagon and Cadillac CTS coupe beginning in 2009 *Zeta products (two styles) beginning in 2011. Lordstown, Ohio *Chevrolet Cobalt and Pontiac G5 continue through 2009 *Global Gamma 4-door notchback beginning in 2010 *Global Alpha (2 styles) beginning in 2011. Orion, Mich. *Pontiac G6 continues through 2013. Pontiac, Mich. *GMT 900 full-sized light-duty pickup and heavy-duty pickup continue through 2011 *C3XX full-sized truck, light-duty pickup and heavy-duty pickup beginning in 2012. Shreveport, La. *H3, H3T, Chevrolet Colorado and GMC Canyon continue through 2011 *H3 and H3T replacement beginning in 2011 Spring Hill, Tenn. *Chevrolet Lambda continues through 2012 *Theta Epsilon SUV beginning in 2011 *Next-generation Chevrolet Lambda replacement product – demand and business-case dependent beyond 2012. Wentzville, Mo. *Chevrolet and GMC large vans continue through the product lifecycle, beyond 2012 *Next-generation Chevrolet and GMC large vans replacement for the current product – demand and business-case dependent beyond 2012. Wilmington, Del. *Pontiac Solstice and Saturn Sky continue until 2012. Unknown Assembly Thus Far *GMT-355 replacements (Colorado/Canyon) *Delta II (Cobalt/G5/Astra) --------------------------------------- Gamma, Alpha coming to Lordstown Gamma, Alpha coming to Lordstown By Tribune Chronicle (Updated 1:45 p.m.) LORDSTOWN — The Global Gamma is coming to the General Motors Corp. Lordstown Complex for the 2010 model year, with the Global Alpha arriving for the 2011 model year, according to a union flyer issued to workers this afternoon. The cars will replace the plant’s current Chevrolet Cobalt and Pontiac G5 small cars, which are due to end production in June 2009. The complex then will switch to the Gamma, which is a four-door notch back, according to the flier from United Auto Workers Local 1112. The Alpha will have two body styles. FLIER DETAILS: Below is the synopsis of the tentative labor contract between General Motors Corp. and the United Auto Workers, according to the flyer issued Friday afternoon by UAW Local 1112 to members in the Complex’s East assembly plant: GM committed to maintaining U.S. manufacturing base: – Lordstown will maintain Cobalt and Pontiac G5 production through the 2009 model year. For the 2010 model year, we will build the Global Gamma four-door notch back. We will be adding a second car for the 2011 model year – the Global Alpha platform which will have two body styles. – There will be a total moratorium on outsourcing for the length of the agreement. Additionally GM has committed to insource over 3,000 jobs back into the U.S. system. Economic Gains – Over the course of the 4 year agreement, the average employee will realize gains of approximately $13,000, including the $3,000 signing bonus and two 3% lump sum and one 4% lump sum raises. Cola Protection – The current formula negotiated in the 2005 VEBA memorandum of understanding will be maintained. Comprehensive health care is maintained for all active employees GM VEBA Contributions – GM will pay $29.9 billion to pre-fund retiree health care through VEBA. – Additionally GM will contribute $5.4 billion in pre-VEBA cost for retiree health care. Pension – There will be future pension increases in the new agreement and lump sum payment to current retirees. Temporary Employees – 3,000 temporary employees will become permanent under this agreement. New Protections – Improved health and safety protections including noise and chemical training, confined space and improve ergonomic programs. Skilled Trades – Skilled trades will receive 20 cents per hour tool allowance. – Additonally they will receive extensive high tech training as well as the addition of 1,500 new apprentices nationwide. New Wage and Benefit Levels for New Employees – Details to be explained at the informational meetings Non-Core – Examples of non-core work include but are not limited to material movement, general stores, finished driving, paint mix, chemical management and certain sub-assemblies. SAP – A special nationwide attrition program has been negotiated at similar levels as the previous SAP. – Eligibility will be discussed at the informational meetings as information becomes available. Check out page 11 from this download, jackpot. http://online.wsj.com/public/resources/doc...70928_terms.pdf

Utter and complete fake from Vince. :AH-HA_wink:

Alpha is not that early and a lot of the information is not totally accurate.

Man.... you need to loosen up. I'm just putting this out there as a unique opportunity for people who might not even be aware of such career choices. The questions aren't the point, understanding people's response and logic is. :AH-HA_wink:

Contrary to what some other boneheads are saying, it's not a Monte or Chevelle. Hell, it's not even a coupe, the perspective and grainy image are throwing everyone off. Sometime the simpliest explanation is the real one. :AH-HA_wink:

First off, how's everyone doing? I still hang around, but unfortunately don't participate anywhere near the levels I used to. I'm sure I wasn't the only car geek out there that wanted to turn my life's passion into a full-time career. I've been fortunate enough to be involved in this business for quite sometime and have obtained all my auto related positions due mostly to my sheer enthusiasm and understanding vehicles and of the market. Now's here you're chance. There is an opening to work with me (trust me, no big thrill hanging with me) as a forecast analyst for the North American market. If you're interested and preferably live in Michigan and have a strong desire to get into the auto industry as an analyst and have excellent computer skills, drop me a line and take the below AH-HA challenge. 1) You have $30,000, no more, to buy a new vehicle. What do you get and why? 2) What do you consider the most significant debut in the US market over the next 12 months? 3) You see the Saturn Aura is not taking off and doing as well as expected. Inventory levels and incentives are rising, what course of action would you envision GM take? 4) What do you see as a the next big trend? Thanks guys! :AH-HA_wink: [email protected]

GM has already laid Trax, now get ready to Groove to the Beat! :AH-HA_wink: