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Tim Kuniskis' unveiling of this beast. Clear brand focus directives that were needed for Dodge to retain their current successful image. No numbers of any kind have been spoken. MSRP, HP, etc... Some range is sacrificed is hinted at though. To retain muscle car attitude. Fair enough. But family hauling duties along with inclement weather regions were thought of with this beast. Engineering, as he stated, was at the forefront of designing E-Muscle. About EV sounds This is the route Porsche went with. Porsche too, had an objective to have a distinct EV sound. Im not sure if Porsche used a resonator and amplifier and tuned it like Dodge did. But Porsche's sound does sound more natural EV-ish and it does sound awesome as well. Already, Porsche and Dodge have made it a point that EV sounds need not be whiny but be part of brand image just like how ICEs are and about to be...were.

This is what Im talking about. This is the kind of car, any car, ICE or EV that I need and want in my life. I desperately want this. The sound. Yes its fabricated. I believe its an authentic electric motor sound, tuned and manipulated to sound like that. But that aint no different from how Ferrari tunes its engines, headers and exhaust, to sound the way they do. Chevy has done the same with the SBC and went to Ferrari levels of tuning with the LT6 flat plane 5.5 liter. Yamaha engines like the Lexus LFA V10 has been tuned to sound awesome... Yamaha for those that want to be ignorant about this is not just a motorcycle company. They make musical instruments of all kinds. They specialize to make sounds that sound good in our ears. They literally make music... This concept definitely makes me forget about the Hellcat. After hearing Tim Kuniskis speak, I know this is coming. I also know some sort of 4 door will also be available. A Dodge EV me thinks will be in my driveway, unless Ford or Chevy upstages this. Only hiccup I sees with my decision in buying into a Stellantis EV is if the tech falls short of FoMoCo's or GM's Ultium platform But, I got faith. The French(Citroen and Peugeot) have been selling EVs for awhile now. I dunno how that tech stacks up to Lucid, Ultium, Ford, Tesla...but since Stellantis also consists of Opel, a good engineering company, and Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep these SRT engineers who are great in what they do, I dont see how Stellantis EV tech to be not competitive. Not to mention Fiat and Maserati and most importantly, Ferrari. Yes, Ferrari. Stellantis still owns shares in Ferrari and I would imagine Stellantis would have some access to Ferrari engineering if only it even was just for consultation. Ferrari engineers are still excellent in what they do. There are some very talented folk at Stellantis if we are to be serious about talking about engineering. Stellantis is not a small company...

As will I. To miss the (now, even though they are still in production and for another year) classic muscle cars Challenger and Charger. Hopefully an EV muscle car named Charger comes along in a decent amount of time to where I could have it for winter driving as well. Ill be happy with that. If not, a Mustang Mach E is calling my name... The wife likes the renders of the Equinox EV. Im selling her on Ultium.

yeah... I acknowldge this. I reluctantly accept it though. I shoudnt deny it though. Like I said, it has been like this for quite awhile... I agree. Chryco SUVs are great SUVs. Im just bummed that what it seems to be a great inline 6, from a conglomerate consisting of automotive companies that know how to do 6 cylinder engines right from Peugeot to Maserati to Alfa Romeo to Chrysler themselves, I see it as a wasted opportunity to not explore the avenue of a TT inline 6 sedan or coupe. Just like GM with its Atlas I6 that was rotted away with the GMT360s. So be it. And here I am, whining about nothing as I, want my next purchases to be EVs. My wife and I really want to get off gasoline. At least with you, you are staying with gasoline for a tad longer. You have legit reasons as to want to know the future of ICE within the brand (Jeep) that you choose to stay with and what ICE they choose to go with. I on the other hand, want nothing to do with SUVs, but understand I may not have a choice to go that route, but most importantly, I and the wife have all but abandoned the gasoline engine. We will keep our current ICE cars as long as it takes and switch as soon as a viable EV comes along. Next year? The year after that? The next? Our next new purchase WILL be EVs no questions asked. Our ICE days are over and it stays with our current rides. 2012 Acura TL and 2013 Ford Fusion.

Maybe both? Hopefully both! Yeah...very vague details, Tom Kuniskis has been giving us. Message is that Dodge muscle and power and speed and performance is not going away even though V8 performance is and even quite possibly the actual muscle car nameplates. SRT performance engineering is working side by side with Stellantis EV engineering to ensure MOPAR EV performance is in line with MOPAR/Dodge muscle car image, but the how is not revealed. We will have to wait to see what they end up giving us.

Im saddened by the fact that an inline TT6 is going to a SUV. Much wasted potential for sport sedan and muscle car buffoonery going to shytty appliance CUVs and useless pick-up trucks. I mean an ecoboosted V6 Ford Raptor was cool and all, until the Hellcat powered TRX showed up and Ford went V8... Now, Dodge reverses that trend??? Im down with EV muscle for Charger and Challenger. I understand the reasoning behind the V8s going away. But I think it could be kinda cool if a stop gap TTV6 Challenger and Charger would be available. Maybe Dodge wants us to forget about ICE Challengers and Chargers for awhile until they come back as EVs and when they do come back as EVs, we will be greatfully in awe...

I think the article states that the V8s are going away. Not the Charger and Challenger per se. So...a TT inline 6 with 400-500 HP, a much much lighter engine package up front will make for a very very interesting type of muscle car. I may still have a hole in my soul with the end of a Hellcat V8 Challenger, but a TT inline 6 Challenger still speaks to me very seductively. And eventually EV motive power... Im even more excited to see where and what Dodge muscle will go and do for the EV era.

Ford does the Explorer as a cop car that has effectively and successfully replaced their own Crown Vic and Taurus and consequently the Charger. Ford has proposed the Mach E for a police pursuit vehicle but I dont know how successful it ill be as it seems the Mach E isnt suited best for police work. Chevy has no competitive vehicle to offer. However, the Tahoe is fast becoming a staple on many police fleets after 2 decades of constant pushing and they are proposing a future EV Blazer SUV cop car even before the Blazer is in production. Dodge been losing much ground to Ford police cars, especially when Ford decided that the Explorer could and is a fine candidate. The Charger has been fast losing its place as a formidable police car for quite some time. Dodge has offered a Durango police vehicle for a couple of years now. F150s and Silverados have also been added in the police pursuit tool box for many police departments. What Im trying to say is WHAT and WHY has taken Dodge all this time to really push a Durango police pursuit vehicle when its 2 other Michigan rivals have done so what now seems forever? For sure! This is what I was trying to say myself. End of an era for 2dr coupes. This segment has died 20 years ago. Very few survivors and not many but more than a handful of revived by a few coupes here and there but really dying now. Muscle cars have died 50 years ago. Even fewer survivors and even less new/old name plate revivors. RWD cars are too few and far between. Manual transmission cars as well. Sad, for sure. But this news is really not new in any way. Its been a long time coming regardless the advent of an EV era rushing in. I dont think the names will go anywhere. However, it will all fall under the engineering as to how close they could engineer an EV to emulate an ICE muscle car and the marketing team to convince folk that an EV Charger and Challenger could be and actually are worthy modern day muscle cars with electric motors and batteries as their motive power. The design team lastly as the EV Chargers and Challengers will have to have that MOPAR muscle car proportions and styles and elements and all that MOPAR eye candy.

In the grand scheme of things, I aint so sad about the ICE version of the Challenger and Charger going away next year. To say that it doesnt affect me emotionally would not be entirely true. Its an end to several types of eras this news is. Several types of eras that define my automotive enthusiasm. But hey, time marches on. Things come and go. Time to move on and unto the next thing. As long as Stellantis/Dodge gives us a worthy muscle car in EV form not necessarily needed to be called Charger and/or Challenger, Im good. But the EV(s) to replace its modern, now old, ICE muscle cars better be in the same vein for me not to feel like Im gonna miss a Hellcat...

^^^ I wanted to post a pic of that A320 NEO on Skiathos ! You did one better and posted a link to a video! Awesome!

I thought so. Head-on and off set collision standards too, maybe? I think to a small degree, its a styling thing, too. Our society has been in chaos the last 20 years, Id like to also believe its a bunker mentality styling thing as well.

Isnt the Pentastar 3.6 (and rumour has it the Hemi V8s also) going away in favour of an inline 3.0 liter 6 in twin turbo guise at its highest level as a stop gap before going all EV?

I see that the "fastback" look that crept up on sedans is creeping up on CUVs now. I also see that CUVs are looking less and less like truckish things and are looking more like high, very high belt line sedans with fastback C pillar stylings. I also see that this new design philosophy for CUVs is emulating 1930s streamline sedans... So far, I only see Chrysler and Cadillac to do a fastback sedan look CUV emulating 1930s streamliners Others are doing a high belt, but they are doing away with the truckish look and going for full on sedan look. Pure modern aero. Citroen C4X This new Airflow is handsome enough. I wonder why our vehicles today and for the last 20 years need to have such high belt lines.

Ive never used Costco for gas. (I dont use Costco all that much to begin with) I got a Costco at about 5-6 miles from my house and restaurant, but its kinda out of m way. Im like those anti-EV guys whining about charging times and charging stations not being in ideal locations. Well, Im not going to drive 15 minutes just to gas up when other gas stations are on my drive home. That 15 minute drive is going there, it will be another 15 minutes to come back. PLUS the amount of time waiting for a Costco pump to become available plus the actual time pumping gas... Gassing up, just like charging up for anti-EV people, but especially for gassing up, should be a fast convenience, not a slow, tedious, and Odyssean adventure.

Nice Vette! I too, prefer the '84-'89 body style. Original front and rear. I also prefer the original dash. But I think the '89, yours, has the redesigned dash. The C4 Vettes to own would be the later ones from '89 on though. So you scored a gem in many ways! Awesome!!!

You see CCAP, you cherry pick my words, but it dont matter.... Track mode means nothing... There was once a rumour that the Challenger would be offered in ACR trim and undergo the same treatment as the Viper ACR. But that never really happened now did it? Its not as if the Challenger Demon wasnt the specialized track car... But for the quarter mile track.. No stupendous rear wing for downforce, no aerocanards up front, etc..... Its not as if the Demon get crazy for it being a track car for the quarter mile as if MOPAR didnt include in the pice tag skinny wheels up front and slicks in the back and delete all the seats except the driver's one and sell the owner the 3 others for a dollar each.... Meaning, if Dodge really wanted the Challenger to go trackin' they would have made one to replace the Viper ACR. But they didnt...DID THEY? https://www.musclecarsandtrucks.com/why-the-dodge-challenger-acr-didnt-happen/ weight is mentioned as why this never happened which leads us back to the Model S..... The battery weight is below the axles. Low center of gravity. Now have a great day tomorrow because I aint wasting my precious time with both of you (smk as well) bozos My mic drop

If Dodge really wanted the Challenger to go a-trackin', they would have made it to go a-trackin' Three letters for you A C R American Club Racing

Olivia Newton-John RIP Was never a big fan of Grease. I didnt get it then, I dont get it now. I think its more of a teenage girl thing. Then, in the '70s, when I was a teenager in the mid '80s and now as my daughter asked me if I am saddened by the passing of Olivia Newton-John. And I am not. And that is what I told her. Sure, I felt a little something for her passing... So I was curious to know how she knew about O N-J as the last time her pop music was any relevant, I myself hadnt reached my own teen years yet. And my daughter is not into music all that much. But ah... her and her friends did discover Grease somehow. She and her friends enjoyed the movie-musical... I liked her music. These 3 songs would be my favourite. No. Let's get Physical aint one of them surprise surprise. Surprise surprise, 2 out of the 3 songs are from Grease.... And the next one is from the '80s. And it aint Xanadu either Oh yeah, nearly forgot about this one. I like this one too!!! Alot even

Im happy that your Toronado was repaired properly and she is back on the road. I take it wasnt such a bad procedure as I made it to be. Thanx for the update!!! (as late as it was) ? The LEDs you went with rock!!! Im kinda starting to like this body style because of you. I never was too fond of these. The Riviera was the closest to say that I kinda liked, but not really, back in the day. But now, both the Eldo and Toro have become an obsession. Im seeing myself googling these more often to look at them and Im starting to appreciate their lines. Im kinda starting to prefer their body lines more than the G-Bodys.... Im starting to see some awkwardness to the G Bodies, but with these, I see the lines flowing more smoothly and coherently.

suspension symmetry or asymmetry, dampening rates, the kind of dampers to begin with, suspension travel. How low the car is to the ground, overall weight, weight distribution, center of gravity, how well the motor or engine transfers the power and torque to the wheels, wheel cambers, all just some of the factors that are involved in tracking... Some of those factors are equal and same solutions to both EVs and ICEs and some of those are advantageous or disadvantageous to each differently and separately but could use any and either factor in that track equation to compensate for the disadvantage. At the end of the day, a Model S Plaid, as a heavy Hellcat Charger do an excellent job at handling street legal speed cornering and do inspire confidence in accident avoidance maneuvers. However, they do the job somewhat on a track, but they aint the right tool to conquer the track races as both vehicles were NOT ENGINEERED TO DO ANY TRACK WORK. THEY BOTH LACK THE NEEDED HARDWARE, THE PROPER TRACK SUSPENSIONS... And quite frankly, the heft issue on both the Plaid and Hellcat could be overcome without even eliminating the heft part just by utilizing the necessary hardware. Of course knocking off 500-600 lbs on either would benefit them for plenty of things, not just tracking. Im not denying that. Its just that heft is NOT the deterrent its spoke of by SMK aka Alex with a skateboard platform EV...

yes. and nobody, me, is not saying otherwise. hence the word choice of masking the heft. But weight, *sigh* for the umpteenth time *sigh* is but 1 factor regarding handling. *sigh* The skateboard platform allows for all the heft be BELOW THE AXLES MAKING A VERY VERY LOW CENTER OF GRAVITY FAVOURING HANDLING AND TRACKING. plus the weight is so evenly distributed along the length and side of the vehicle all that is left to do is just an easy calibration of the suspension not having to factor for up front engine heft in a front engined car. even in a rear mid-engine car, the weight is still ABOVE the wheels instead of below. Traction is compensated by having the electric motors directly engaged to the driving wheels be it 3 or even 4. Software programming even allows for torque vectoring on ALL 4 wheels if all 4 wheels are able to be torquing..... Heft is just a factor in a myriad of factors in a tracking formula... yes, heft is a detriment to performance. NOBODY is denying that. Its just that a skateboard platform EV isnt really phased by that. An ICE track car has many more deficiencies that an EV has as an advantage... yes yes yes heft aint onee of them But HIGHER center of gravity and heft to where it aint optimal for an engine to be are what favours the EV... *phoque me its such a difficult concept to understand???*

Hey Alex... Stop the bullshytting once and for all. A Blackwing is engineered to handle with specific track suspension systems. The KIA EV6 and Model S are engineered just to be driven on the street. Low center of gravity does the rest. What it is that you dont understand? The Taycan, heavier and slower than the Model S is smooth on a track BECAUSE of the suspension... Are you dense? This is what a proper suspension for tracking Model S does... Id say it kicks the Blackwing's a$$... It aint the phoquing weight, Alex... weight is but one factor... The weight is below the axles. Low center of gravity, Alex... Argue with yourself now Alex! Im done with you.