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On 11/5/2023 at 6:09 AM, Robert Hall said:

I don't really like dark when I get up or dark at the end of the workday, but it is what is..

I freakin HATE the darkness in winter. If i didn't sit next to a window at work, I would only see daylight on Saturdays and Sundays. 

4 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

”Chevrolet has given us the best look today of their all-electric Equinox which they stated will start at $30,000 tapping a market EVs to date have not touched yet, will they deliver?”

I think that's safe to answer today. No, no they are not delivering a $30,000 Equinox EV. 

@Davidmay not have said "under" but he made a whole post, gobbling up GM's sauce, stating "starting @ $30,000".  So even David read "around" and thought "at". Hmmmmm

On somewhat of a random thought, my local GM dealership has a new Blazer EV RS on their lot. 

I forgot about this yesterday. because I would have liked to walk around it. I'll have to see if it's still there over the weekend...or anytime that I may remember... 

https://www.steveschmittauto.com/new/Chevrolet/2024-Chevrolet-Blazer+EV-40d815390a0e0a9a7b473b129d68728c.htm

They also have a Hummer EV, with a 25k markup. 

45 minutes ago, surreal1272 said:

I did see in their updated press released, where they changed the range to reflect all trims, including the base model. My error and I can admit that. However, that still does not change my point about the price bump and 69 more miles of range doesn’t really change that. They knew they were going with one battery from the jump and that should have been reflected in a proper price announcement from the start, not “oh it was around this price but now it’s $5K more and won’t come out until six to nine months after the more expensive models that we are really hoping to sell. Again, that is a Tesla tactic and I am not down with it. 

I agree.

The whole, "you're now getting a bigger battery and more range" thing isn't necessary. It's been proved that 250 miles of range would suffice for nearly everybody on a daily basis. Now, people who were smart and wanted the smaller battery, which would be the most efficient trim because it's the lightest with the smallest wheels, can't get the product. 

I get most people will get the bigger battery anyway but, the entry price of vehicles is just too high as it is. There are PLENTY of people who buy vehicles in that class who aren't getting fully loaded vehicles.

39 minutes ago, David said:

Seems BMW is talking back at Tesla about Batteries.

“Tesla Needs To Close The Gap With Us," Says BMW On New Cylindrical Battery Cells (insideevs.com)

That's cool but Tesla is already building their 4680 so BMW may have a great product but it's still on the shelf, at this point. 

I know the Tesla fanboys didn't want to admit it, but this was just inevitable. There was no way they could sustain a 60% market share when there are a dozen new EVs hitting the streets every year in all sorts of different categories. 

I don't think Tesla is going away or anything but the market share just wasn't sustainable with everything new coming out. 

28 minutes ago, David said:

Any company is in their right to use general terms and put in statements as GM did at the Equinox announcement in January 2022 CES show that it would start around $30,000 MSRP is subject to change.

Yeah, and it's kind of bullsht. They knew 100% what they were doing and I hate that crap. 

29 minutes ago, David said:

Those upset about this, appear to be fixated on $30,000 price point and not the actual product.

Well, if their Ultium launch thus far is any indication, the product isn't worthy of a 30k tag either, let alone the 100k+ they've gotten for the Hummers. 

9 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

also, at LEAST admit there IS a Bolt and Bolt EUV on the way before crucifying David on his stance and GM for this particular price hike, non?

No, sir. That's on GM for pricing things and making the future pricing claims. David just blindly backs them, because GM. 

16 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

You think that was a me tryna get you on a gotcha moment?

There was zero other reason to point out your superiority in that comment. So, yes. 

17 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

But.  Seems strange to me that NONE  youse saw that the ev range IMPROVED. 

I did know that. That doesn't matter. They have other trims specifically FOR that. Well, they used to. Now they just charge more for the basic version, too. 

18 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Seems even stranger that ya’ll jumped on @David but failed to realize the marketing dilemna that GM may or may NOT have concerning 2 EVs in that 30 thousand threshold. ONLY @smk4565 

I don't care about that though and that wasn't even what this was about. It was the bait by GM by throwing out the phrase "AROUND $30,000". 

19 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Hence me calling you and grouchy on trolling.

You and your favorite claim. You're as bad as FoxNews or CNN with throwing out buzzwords.

You know to troll, one has to have intent to troll. I didn't make GM make any claim. I didn't make them make any price changes. I don't think calling them out for their intentional vagueness in any way is trolling. 

22 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Irony of him trying to call out David for hypocrisy…

I don't understand how one could not see his hypocrisy when it comes to GM. 

He's called a CX-9 cramped but a Bolt as roomy?!? I mean, seriously, do you not see that? 

34 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

If that ALSO comes with a battery bump and range,  like that last 5K increase, what is the problem?

That can't continue to happen and benefit the consumer, right? Just because there's more and you're getting more, doesn't mean that fits the bill for this consumer base. 

This is an EQUINOX, not a Cadillac. 

23 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

 yes he is!!!

 And I was wrong...

Bet you that NONE of you are able to admit when you are wrong though.   

Ive done that several times. 

Most of you like to troll around though... 

I absolutely do and literally yesterday I pointed out I was wrong on dates. 

Need me to tag you or do you wanna feel nice and warm with what you feel is a "gotcha moment"?  

47 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

starting around  $34 995.

Perfect for another 5k increase! 

On 10/17/2023 at 11:57 AM, smk4565 said:

I think the $30k Equinox never happens,

You're rght! 

3 minutes ago, A Horse With No Name said:

I would happily buy a model 3 if Musk were something of a respectable decent human being. Don't want to get into a flame war or politics, but I despise the guy. Last thing I want to say here, as given my high level of testosterone, moderate level of intellect, and complete lack of self control....this would get me into a flame war that would rival all previous mindless C and G flame wars...and get me banned. 

So let's end with a positive. At 77,000 plus miles Ranger is doing fantastic. ccap41, you were indeed correct on THAT much, anyways. 

Hahaha well Musk as a person is a completely different issue and I can understand not liking the man. I was speaking strictly of the product(s). 

15 hours ago, David said:

Nope the General does not get a pass on this, they never committed to a firm $30K price, they stated around $30K was what they were aiming for and did not do what Tesla and Rivian did with setting a firm price and then raising the price after the fact that they could not deliver on that price.

You are literally giving them a pass right now. 

While what Rivian did was crappy, that is a completely different issue because they were already selling the vehicles at the original pricing. They didn't make that price hike before deliveries. That was about 6 months after it was being delivered. 

15 hours ago, David said:

But we each take the verbiage differently.

Starting Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

Around Definition & Meaning - Merriam-Webster

I get that around is as defined with some approach to exactness versus starting is a set point or price.

Yes I get that you see it as a semantic and that GM should have delivered a $30K Equinox. After instant rebate it is still a $27K EV.

We all know what "around" means. It's a relative word that could mean all sorts of different things to all sorts of different people. They knew this. They knew exactly this. That's why I think it's crappy of them.

Also, I'm not annoyed that it isn't 30k. I'm annoyed because *to me* 35k is less "around" than it ought to be. "Around" feels more like +/- 10% ($3,000, in this case). 

Dang, this post started before I graduated high school! Hahaha

...I have nothing of value to add though...🤣

1 hour ago, David said:

Unlike Rivian where they stated a firm starting price of $XX,XXX. At least they did come back to honor those that had reservations at those lower prices.

Oh boy, what a blunder that situation was for about 48 hours, until they reneged on that. What an idiotic decision to try and force previous reservation holders into the new price. If I'm not wrong, the price jump was something crazy like 15-20k, too, right? 

19 minutes ago, David said:

I agree it sucks and one would think they could get more accurate pricing than this, but it was announced almost 2 years ago. This is not something that was earlier this year.

Sorry, I am wrong here but you're off by about as much as I'm off by. It was Sept 8th, 2022. NOT 2023(duh - I should have known this). It was more like 14 months ago.  

21 minutes ago, David said:

The actual price when the 3 came out is what caused allot of my coworkers to cancel their reservation.

Hopefully people cancel their orders here as well.  Fck OEMs with this crap. I don't care what the brand is, it's crappy to do this. 

Whoever throws this price estimate out is a professional and this was their specialty. It wasn't just some guy who threw a number out there. There were MANY calculations figured out before and they knew damn well they couldn't hit $30,000. The same way Tesla threw out $35,000, that happened for a couple months. They did it for the headline. 

55 minutes ago, David said:

So yes it is expected that prices would be vaporware based when they first announced them.

I doubt people who put money down on them expected an additional 5k. 

55 minutes ago, David said:

Value of $1 from 2019 to 2023

I'm not reading any of that because the 30,000 was announced THIS YEAR. 2019, 2020, 2021, and 2022 are irrelevant. This is a 5k jump from September 8th, 2023. 

And I'll give them the "around" $30,000. but I don't think a $5,000 or 15% increase is exactly "around" $30,000. If they came out and said 32 or 33k. Sure, that's "around" 30k. 35k is as close to 40k as it is 30k. 

56 minutes ago, David said:

Same with this situation, GM probably did as you stated threw out a price to grab attention, no different than everything Musk says about Tesla or SMK says about Mercedes and Tesla.

So you're cool that your beloved General is pulling the same crap as Tesla? Don't you hate Tesla and how they're ran? 

34 minutes ago, David said:

This is to be expected and not bad when you consider the inflation we have gone through since 2019.

NO ONE and I mean NO ONE could have predicted the idiot response our government did with Covid as well as the rest of the world and how the shortages would have affected both long-term and short-term prices. 

What? If this was announced years ago, I'd agree. This was nnounced just earlier this year. This has nothing to do with Covid or inflation since 2019. They threw out $30,000 and knew damn well it wouldn't be 30k. It was a bait and *somewhat of a switch*. They wanted the attention-grabbing headlines. 

39 minutes ago, David said:

This is CHEAP compared to what Tesla Promised and then actually delivered.

You can order a 39k Model 3 right now. For 4k you can at least get a vehicle with a reputable electric powertrain/electronics. 

If 5k is such a negligible amount, get the Model 3. 

https://www.tesla.com/model3

8 hours ago, David said:

This is very cool to read, GM has a press call today and it was very informative.

Chevy Equinox EV priced at $34,995—with an estimated 319 miles (greencarreports.com)

 

Already 5k more than what they said a few months ago. That's nice. 

On 10/28/2023 at 9:02 AM, riviera74 said:

EV sales are only 2% of all NEW auto sales.  They barely exist in the used car market.  Here is what I wonder:  if EVs are the next big thing, why can't I buy a new one for about $20K?  Until that is addressed, then "the EV is the next big thing" is little more than a pipe dream, regardless of government regulations.

Have you ever heard of the Chevrolet Bolt? It's $26,500 before a $7500 rebate = $19,500.

The Bolt EUV is about a grand more so that, too, can be had for about $20k. 

The Nissan Leaf qualifies for $3,750 of the federal rebate and brings the 28k Leaf down to ~24k. 

On 10/27/2023 at 4:42 PM, smk4565 said:

And they are going to keep getting credits because Ford and GM are cutting EV production and delaying EV’s and Stellantis nowhere to be found at a time when the CAFE numbers are going up.

I'd like to lookup those numbers as well because I doubt they'd be getting credits from Ford. They have a hybrid or plug-in hybrid version of everything they sell and they have a few EVs. 

I have no clue what the regulations are on this, at this point. I'd assume a lot of those credits are coming from Stellantis, as they still hardly have anything truly fuel efficient. 

41 minutes ago, David said:

I took the time to add up all the quarters, I did look at all the financials and yes the last few years were profitable, but I did this fast so if messing up on 2021 is all that I missed then my bad, but over all the counter point to SMK BS is that Tesla has BLEED money for over a decade before making a profit and here we have Legacy auto companies that have done what Tesla took 2 decades to do in a couple of years, so yes losses are going to be high at the start for anyone.

I don't know why you added anything up. What I showed you was the 2021 Q4 10-k. It was the totals for the years in the snippets, 2019-2021. It wasn't just a Q4 report, it was for the entire year. 

I don't know what numbers you're getting showing losses but if you subtract the ARC from the bottom line, they're still profitable. The ARCs were not keeping them afloat in 2021.  

I'm also not exactly sure how you can facepalm data directly off of the SEC's website. There is zero bias in that data.