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24k + gas will never pay for itself, in my situation. I'd also be using a little bit of gas every day, so it wouldn't go bad for me. Also, I thought Volts would periodically run automatically just to fully heat up and burn old gas, if they're being run "too much" on battery alone. In my situation, the Hyundai Ionic Electric fits the bill as well. 125 miles of range and roughly the same price of an E Golf/Volt. I believe the Kona Electric was Kia's version of the Ionic Electric.

Oh I agree, but if I'm spending that much, I'd just make the jump to a Prologue(it's a little bigger than a Mach-E) to replace my Navigator. A Bolt/e golf/Volt/Leaf is something that I'd buy as a 2nd vehicle just to commute to and from work. I'm not a huge fan of leases either. If I didn't drive so much, I think a lease would work though. I think a 20k mile lease would make the payment on even a cheap EV pretty high. I did sit in one a few weeks ago when my Navigator had recall work done. They're not toooo small.

Wouldn't a Volt fall into the same category of abandoned-by-manufacturer vehicles though? I'm also not sure how I'd feel about going hybrid and completely charging and completely draining the battery every day. I feel like that would degrade the battery quicker and then I'm still relying on gas, albeit a very small amount. About 10-15 miles worth, if the online estimates of highway EV range are accurate of 40-45 miles of highway EV range. I drive 60 miles but it isn't all interstate speeds so I think the drive to the interstate wouldn't be too inefficient for an EV(about half the drive - I should actually get the exact mileage breakdown as I'm curious now). Of the 30.2 miles to work, 12.4 miles is a two lane 55mph road. There are a couple intersections within that where I'd stop and regen a bit, but not a ton.

Then a part of me just says save up and wait a couple years for a new Scout. They're big enough to replace the Navigator, they're all electric (I have no interest in the range extended ICE hybrid version), and they look freakin cool.

My only issue with the Bolt is... have you looked at them? I'd consider a Leaf if I didn't care at all what it looked like. The Bolt isn't completely out of the running, but I'm not sure if I can get over how it looks.

I'd need 20k+ miles/year of a lease now that I've driving to work and not taking a bus. ID4 does nothing for me. My goal is for the EV to pay for itself by being less than I'm spending in gas per month. I don't know what a lease for 20k miles and needs to be like $200-250/month payment is. Anything more than that and it doesn't really seem like the value is there when I'm paying $175 for my Navigator and ~$80/week in gas. That's right around $520/month for everything. I don't know. I just know I'd want it to pay for itself and not by like $50/month. I'd want to see a significant savings in total. The current lease offers for an EV9 Wind AWD is $489/mo + 4k down and that's for 10,000 miles a year. The E Golf and Focus electric both fit what I want/need from something this size and both are compliance autos. I don't mind that, but the Focus electric has a pretty bad issue of coolant lines leaking into the battery pack and destroying that. The E Golf is air cooled, which I don't exactly love, but it seems to be a more reliable vehicle. It's also a Golf and that's a pretty solid vehicle to start from and it doesn't compromise interior space for a battery, like the Focus does.

Yeah, this whole situation has risen the prices of anything I've been looking at by a couple/few grand so I'm more on hold for EV shopping now. I've kind of shifted to wanting a 2017+ VW E Golf as a work commuter and hold onto my Navigator for my family. The problem with that is; because they only sold them in California, they're hard to find and they're mostly not too close to me. The closest right now is in Ohio and about 280 miles away. For a vehicle that only has 125 miles of range (when new and not highway miles) that's a long drive home.

I believe Ford's new platform and mid-size/compact truck are supposed to be LFP chemistry. It's good to know their degradation curve are even better for the consumer.

I'm not trying to dispute that, at all. I know this. I should have used different numbers so you wouldn't have jumped to the conclusion that I'm expecting a 50% degradation. That's mostly what I expected, but didn't know the science behind batteries and/or charging. Thank you!

@Drew Dowdell & @G. David Felt , when BEVs lose battery capacity due to age and/or charging habits, etc. do you still charge the full capacity and it's just a less efficient vehicle? Or do you only charge to the new capacity? For example, If I have a 100kWh battery that has degraded 50% (simple numbers for simplicity). When I charge do I still put 100kWh into the battery and I'm using two times the amount to go from A to B? Or am I now only putting in 50kWh, as that is what the capacity has degraded to? Does the question make sense?

No writeup on the new 2027 Silverado Silverado?!?

I'm no Hurricanes fan, but I am a despiser of the Golden Knights and love that your Hurricanes won! Congrats! It's a really fun time of life when one of "your teams" wins a championship, especially when it's a series and there's a month-long build up of the playoffs. I remember the 2019 Blues championship run and it was such an exciting month+. Everyday I was either talking about last night's game or talking about tonight's game with a fellow Blues fan coworker or friends.

That's a fair point. Even if it isn't "the same", it is certainly far too similar.

Oh that is just plain silly that they'd have the same vehicle but some trims do and do not have CarPlay. I'm also in the same boat in not wanting a base model of pretty much anything. I dig the Lyriq (even though the name is horrible), but they're too pricey around me still. The cheaper ones are 40-42k and I just can't justify spending that.

While I think the Luce looks pretty damn bad, I don't think a Crown comparison makes a whole lot of sense, imo. I feel like it wasn't all that long ago that Ferrari stated they'd never make an SUV and never make an EV. Look where we are know... Things like the Luce are why it wouldn't take a whole lot to convince me that automakers are deliberately making EVs look horrendous so when they don't sell they can say, "see, nobody wants EVs." It also just isn't impressive technology-wise. It charges as quick as a Silverado EV and Kia EV# (along with anything else that charges at 350kw) and it's no quicker than a Lucid and not even THAT much quicker than a Hummer EV. Oh yeah, it also has a pretty crap range. It just isn't impressive in any way.

I do definitely agree there. 150kw max charging certainly isn't great, although I'd try and never publicly charge to make that a near-never issue. You're the one who kept telling me that the Silverado EV still had CarPlay... If I had the monies, I'd love to go the Scout route. I think they look so damn good. I've seen a handful of Silverado EVs and they just don't do anything for me. I want to like them because technologically they are so damn good, but I can't get past their aesthetics. The same goes for the Blazer EV. I want to like it. It does what I want and has the technology that would suit my, but I just can't get past how it looks.

"good enough" would likely serve 90-95% of half ton truck owners. The only thing it really didn't do all that well in was towing and it wasn't the towing itself, it was the lack of a 200+kWh battery, like the Silverado EV has. Reduced cost but much added complexity.

After doing a bunch of research on this, it isn't so much Honda/Acura are limiting charging speeds as it is the battery pack total size directly correlates to the rate of charge they can accept. The Prologue and non-SS Blazer EV have 85kWh batteries at 288 total volts and the ZDX/Lyriq/Blazer EV SS all have the larger 102kWh battery at 345 total volts. Because of the way the Ultium platforms have multiple pack sizes that can and are linked together to make larger or smaller packs, the total pack volts varies based on the application and why the Hummer/Silverado/Sierra EVs can charge at 800v when they're still on 400v architecture. Because kW = amps * volts, the bigger packs have more nominal volts because they have more cells. Below is a Prologue example and change the 288v for the Prologue to 345v for the larger packs of the Lyriq, ZDX, or Blazer EV SS and you get 190kW for the maximum (or do the math for the other chargers, as well)

It sounds like it all depends how big the storage is and how much you need to charge. It is possible you wouldn't have to pull from the grid though.

I guess I'm going to have to look into this. I do know my city gets its power from somewhere (likely Ameren), but it isn't an Ameren bill. It is a bill straight form the city. our Ameren bill is just for gas.

Yep. that's one of my biggest issues, the instability. I REALLY doubt my electricity rates will just double in a month or triple in a year or anything wild like that.

You're welcome! Yep, the problem is that it isn't the future for the rest of the world. That's the NOW for China and Europe (if I remember correctly from the video). The US is soooo far behind. It does make me curious about the Ford and CATL and/or BYD partnerships that have been going on. I'm sure Ford isn't getting that technology though.

@G. David Felt I came across this video and thought you'd appreciate it. It's a long video, but with you being the tech guy that you are, you should be entertained by it all. If you wanted to skip to the charging session itself, you'll want to skip to like the 42 minute mark. I hope the link works because YouTube links don't show up in my feed on my work computer, but hopefully this does for you guys.

I love the clean '04 GT (that looks like the anniversary badge for an '04). I'm a sucker for that gen, even though they're kind of a black sheep of Mustangs.

Obviously, but I'd think you could cut 200 miles worth of range on the battery pack and save hundreds of pounds making it just a more overall efficient vehicle and still yielding 700 miles of range. As I said to David, I'd remove as much battery pack as the engine weighs so it would be a net 0 gain in weight and you'd still have a sh!t ton of range yet it would be more efficient at achieving those miles. I'd assume it would be similar to my guesstimated numbers above.