surreal1272

@smk4565—You said this barely a year ago. What changed? “More EV's from Ford, VW, or anyone else, is just moving sales from gas to electric, it isn't stealing Tesla sales and taking them down.“ But now you say the exact opposite using your Toyota example.

Only a Benz fan would say that like it was something to brag about, forgetting that you still have to see the outside of it everyday before you actually get in to drive it. Audi and Porsche both shame Benz in these regards. And no, the much pricier 580 will not outsell the base model 450. Again, only a Benz fan would say something like that with a straight face. Correction. Tesla has sold 4 millions EVs and already has repeat buyers since they have been doing this for a decade now. Simply amazing that you don’t see that.

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Two each to the east and east of me and all four are "base" models, i.e. no hyper screen equipped models.

But Mercedes...

You just answered part of that above and I would like to add the various FWD based sedans and CUVs they have released over the last twenty years, where as before FWD luxury cars were absolutely taboo for any German luxury maker. Those are the very definition of "compliance cars". It's not even debatable and you can say that you could acre less about what was on the lot and that is your choice. However, it is also your choice to ignore the contradiction in your earlier assessment of their "showrooms". You can't look at the showroom without passing through the lot first and seeing those various non-luxury vans sharing the same lot with $100K luxury cars, something the resident Mercedes fanboy has shredded GM for in the past (Cadillac sharing lots with lower tier GM makes or Chevrolet selling $100K Vettes alongside $13K Sparks). That is all I am going to say about it. That is a common theme with just about everyone right now hence these higher than average prices on literally everything with wheels on them. Mercedes is in no way unique here and you know that.

Example number 3. You want more examples of your about face prior to Mercedes officially joining the EV game? Funny. I strolled through one of their lots in Glendale, AZ (Arrowhead Mercedes) and found vans parked next to E-Class and S-Class sedans. They are not as "exclusive as their fans make them out to be. Furthermore, David has a point. They more compliance autos than ever before and love pulling that visual slight of hand with even their upper end offerings like the EQS (see the base model dash but just don't look for it on MBs website since they only show the hyper screen models). Are they still a luxury car company? Sure, in the technical sense. Are they are "exclusive" as they once were? Hell no.

Example number one of your previous touting of Tesla. Example number 2

I’d have to dig through the old archives here but you were singing a different tune about brand recognition and subsequent customer loyalty not so long ago. The only thing that changed since then is that now Mercedes has dipped their toes into the EV pool. Just stop the bar moving and stop the damn excuses for once.

Are you drunk? That’s the only reason why I can see that you keep forgetting about supply chain issues for a lot of cars. The S was one of those which again, you would know if you ever bothered to look it up. Tell the whole story next time instead just half-assing your way through it. “Production of the Model S was down for most of the year as Tesla transitioned to an updated version amid the ongoing semiconductor shortage and didn't begin deliveries of the new version until June, while a new Model X just started rolling out to customers last week” Source: https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyle/electric-porsche-taycan-outselling-911-tesla-model-s.amp

Do you actually read what you post before you post it? Why does it matter so much to you that Tesla sells more EVs than Benz, that you have to dismiss that stat to promote a more pointless stat? Do you not see the blatant hypocrisy in your statement?

Thanks for confirming your apples to apples issue. BTW, it matters to everyone else except biased Mercedes Benz fans apparently. No room for objectivity. You’ve got German ass to kiss!

It simply amazes me how you dance around the obvious because stating such things would contradict your opinions on it. Let me help you out. Here is what happened to the Mach E. Ford Mustang Mach-E Ford Mustang Mach-E sales in February amounted to 2,001, which is surprisingly 46.5% less than in February 2021. We hoped that the Mach-E would improve as the demand is high, but the company is clearly struggling on the production side. We heard that in February production was halted due to a lack of semiconductors, which means that the situation will not likely improve significantly in the near future. Nonetheless, the Ford Mustang Mach-E was responsible for 1.6% of the total Ford sales volume in the US. Next time, don’t assume. Use Google and know for a fact before making up fifty thousand excuses why Ford and GM can’t compete but somehow Benz can. Seriously faulty logic and lazy posting, quite honestly. See his above post and then apologize for not reading what he actually said instead of putting words in his mouth.

Only someone like yourself could say something so patently wrong. By that logic, GM spanks Mercedes in worldwide pick up sales. Doesn’t matter that Benz doesn’t have one. They are both selling cars. The presence of a pick up bed in the back is irrelevant. FFS.

Where do you come up with this $h!? He said the Benz has no pickup offerings, not Ford. And by your logic, the EQS should outsell the Tesla S hand over fist. It won’t btw.

Exactly how many times does it have to be said? Cite your sources. Which does nothing to counter his original statement about style bar mover. The style is garbage.

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Read this: To help meet this lofty goal, GM plans to release 20 EVs in the United States through 2025, with 10 additional EVs for global markets Now answer this. Which is the greater number? 5 or 20? Again, stop acting like Mercedes is the only EV game in town to go against the likes of Tesla with their 5 whole EVs. Just ignorant as hell, quite honestly.

IT IS 10000% A SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE, just like everyone else the past two years, lest we forget that Benz crossover sales were down during that same time period. Oh and you say that Ford and GM can't price their SUVs against Tesla, which makes zero sense because I guess the Mach-E didn't get that well selling memo. Good grief, your entire schtick is just tiresome at times and downright ignorant at others. State actual facts next time instead of your personal feelings on thing that can't even be quantified in a reasonable manner. So is every Benz AMG variant but you never point out the "niche" factor of those. How utterly predictable of you.

100% relevant when the mostly old guard fought the change to EVs for decades. You really to have an apples to oranges issue don't you? As Balth pointed out, Tesla outsells Mercedes EVs by country mile but shhhh, we don't discuss that with Mercedes fans because they might have to move that bar yet again.

@smk4565—-And it should be noted that while Cadillac is at zero EVs, they are not the only game in GMs stable. The Hummer EV is already out and it competes on a luxury level and GM has two others that have been out in the Bolt twins. Since you want to count Mercedes as a whole, it was only fair to do the same with GM. Oh and go ahead and add the Mach-E being out long before any SUV from Mercedes.

@smk4565--I am not going to keep going in circles with you but here are the facts. YES, they are late. They decided to put out not one, but TWO EV sedans out before even mentioning the SUV that won't come until late this year. Meanwhile, Cadillac at least had the good sense to put out an EV SUV first before considering any sedans, being that they are lower marketshare rides. Remember when you constantly whined about GM and Cadillac specially not having enough SUVs? Remember saying EXACTLY that? Well, Cadillac has one EV SUV coming out next months while Benz will have ZERO by then and it will do it for HALF THE PRICE (est. price off the EQS SUV is pegged at $114K). Like I said, late to the game.

And again, the obvious bias is obvious. You act like the Germans, who are late to the game to begin with, are the only game in town to compete with Tesla. Just the dumbest of fanboy logic SMK.

Except the GLA is not Mercedes cheapest offering now is it? And just ignore the other facts about pricing and how it relates to Luxury anyway. It wouldn't suit your fanboy narrative. . Let me just repeat what I said above. "You’re not exactly making a convincing argument for Benz when you have said, in the past, that the other three brands compete more with each other than they do Benz. If those three are not upper tier luxury, as you claim, then what does that make SUVs like the GLA?" You could have saved the response had you actually read my correction about the model below. My core point stands. It will have the same BASE LEVEL INTERIOR as the EQS sedan so you are not, in fact, comparing all apples to all apples. And I quote: "The Mercedes EQS SUV will feature the MBUX Hyperscreen, an optional highly digital dashboard that debuted in the EQS."

The GLA MSRP is a whole $30 more than the Corsair and a whole $405 more than the XT4. The Lexus UX is the cheapie of the bunch. You’re not exactly making a convincing argument for Benz when you have said, in the past, that the other three brands compete more with each other than they do Benz. If those three are not upper tier luxury, as you claim, then what does that make SUVs like the GLA?