surreal1272

It simply amazes me how you dance around the obvious because stating such things would contradict your opinions on it. Let me help you out. Here is what happened to the Mach E. Ford Mustang Mach-E Ford Mustang Mach-E sales in February amounted to 2,001, which is surprisingly 46.5% less than in February 2021. We hoped that the Mach-E would improve as the demand is high, but the company is clearly struggling on the production side. We heard that in February production was halted due to a lack of semiconductors, which means that the situation will not likely improve significantly in the near future. Nonetheless, the Ford Mustang Mach-E was responsible for 1.6% of the total Ford sales volume in the US. Next time, don’t assume. Use Google and know for a fact before making up fifty thousand excuses why Ford and GM can’t compete but somehow Benz can. Seriously faulty logic and lazy posting, quite honestly. See his above post and then apologize for not reading what he actually said instead of putting words in his mouth.

Only someone like yourself could say something so patently wrong. By that logic, GM spanks Mercedes in worldwide pick up sales. Doesn’t matter that Benz doesn’t have one. They are both selling cars. The presence of a pick up bed in the back is irrelevant. FFS.

Where do you come up with this $h!? He said the Benz has no pickup offerings, not Ford. And by your logic, the EQS should outsell the Tesla S hand over fist. It won’t btw.

Exactly how many times does it have to be said? Cite your sources. Which does nothing to counter his original statement about style bar mover. The style is garbage.

Corrected in bold.

Read this: To help meet this lofty goal, GM plans to release 20 EVs in the United States through 2025, with 10 additional EVs for global markets Now answer this. Which is the greater number? 5 or 20? Again, stop acting like Mercedes is the only EV game in town to go against the likes of Tesla with their 5 whole EVs. Just ignorant as hell, quite honestly.

IT IS 10000% A SUPPLY CHAIN ISSUE, just like everyone else the past two years, lest we forget that Benz crossover sales were down during that same time period. Oh and you say that Ford and GM can't price their SUVs against Tesla, which makes zero sense because I guess the Mach-E didn't get that well selling memo. Good grief, your entire schtick is just tiresome at times and downright ignorant at others. State actual facts next time instead of your personal feelings on thing that can't even be quantified in a reasonable manner. So is every Benz AMG variant but you never point out the "niche" factor of those. How utterly predictable of you.

100% relevant when the mostly old guard fought the change to EVs for decades. You really to have an apples to oranges issue don't you? As Balth pointed out, Tesla outsells Mercedes EVs by country mile but shhhh, we don't discuss that with Mercedes fans because they might have to move that bar yet again.

@smk4565—-And it should be noted that while Cadillac is at zero EVs, they are not the only game in GMs stable. The Hummer EV is already out and it competes on a luxury level and GM has two others that have been out in the Bolt twins. Since you want to count Mercedes as a whole, it was only fair to do the same with GM. Oh and go ahead and add the Mach-E being out long before any SUV from Mercedes.

@smk4565--I am not going to keep going in circles with you but here are the facts. YES, they are late. They decided to put out not one, but TWO EV sedans out before even mentioning the SUV that won't come until late this year. Meanwhile, Cadillac at least had the good sense to put out an EV SUV first before considering any sedans, being that they are lower marketshare rides. Remember when you constantly whined about GM and Cadillac specially not having enough SUVs? Remember saying EXACTLY that? Well, Cadillac has one EV SUV coming out next months while Benz will have ZERO by then and it will do it for HALF THE PRICE (est. price off the EQS SUV is pegged at $114K). Like I said, late to the game.

And again, the obvious bias is obvious. You act like the Germans, who are late to the game to begin with, are the only game in town to compete with Tesla. Just the dumbest of fanboy logic SMK.

Except the GLA is not Mercedes cheapest offering now is it? And just ignore the other facts about pricing and how it relates to Luxury anyway. It wouldn't suit your fanboy narrative. . Let me just repeat what I said above. "You’re not exactly making a convincing argument for Benz when you have said, in the past, that the other three brands compete more with each other than they do Benz. If those three are not upper tier luxury, as you claim, then what does that make SUVs like the GLA?" You could have saved the response had you actually read my correction about the model below. My core point stands. It will have the same BASE LEVEL INTERIOR as the EQS sedan so you are not, in fact, comparing all apples to all apples. And I quote: "The Mercedes EQS SUV will feature the MBUX Hyperscreen, an optional highly digital dashboard that debuted in the EQS."

The GLA MSRP is a whole $30 more than the Corsair and a whole $405 more than the XT4. The Lexus UX is the cheapie of the bunch. You’re not exactly making a convincing argument for Benz when you have said, in the past, that the other three brands compete more with each other than they do Benz. If those three are not upper tier luxury, as you claim, then what does that make SUVs like the GLA?

FFS. You had ZERO problems with MB doing that exact same tablet slab for years. Even the base EQS has a similar style except it has a vertical orientation instead of landscape. Again, this is why reasonable discussions cannot be had with rabid fans like yourself. Edit: Not EQS but the SUV that will have the same entry level interior. Point still stands.

I said I was staying away from this but I had to say this. Why don’t you show the EQS interior that most folks will end up buying because of price? I know why you didn’t. Everyone else knows why you didn’t. However, why didn’t you? Guess it’s tough to find it on Benz’s page because they default to the higher priced optioned interior like the one above. FFS, present ALL OF THE FACTS before touting the highest trim interior that does nothing to change that hideous excuse of an exterior from the “best or nothing”. Nothing. I choose nothing.

Why go back and forth with him? Sales only matter when Benz comes out on top but mention things like the Escalade outselling the GLS and it’s a totally different story. Just ridiculous at this point. We all know he is only going to move the damn goalposts when it suits him like Benz pays him by the word. What he failing to grasp is that Benz is moving to EVs like everyone else the thus far their sedans are half baked offerings at best. I only bring that up because this thread is about Tesla and their EV competition, which at this point is not coming from Germany, end of story. So it’s not every publication, like you claimed earlier. Again, easily disproven lies leading to yet more bar moving. This is old.

Umm, it is for a VOLUME brand and that is exactly what your favorite brand has become over the last twenty years. Keep deflecting though.

If you are just gong to blatantly lie through those teeth of yours, then make sure its not such an easily disproven lie, as ccap just showed you. Good grief.

In demand collectibles don’t get driven on the daily like “normal” cars which was his core point. Sure, maybe it doesn’t lose half its value but if you drive that classic car 12-15K a year, it will work that way sooner than you think. Collectible cars, overall, only increase in value because they become garage queens, which was another core point of his. Cherry picking a made up number doesn’t change either of those points.

Let me clarify something here. My remark about the Leaf was in regards to sub-$30K EVs and the Leaf in question is the one with only 150 miles of range, which is unacceptable at any price range. No one wants that except for certain folks in California lol. The 226 mile model starts north of $30K. The more you know.

It should be noted that for all this talk about EVs and pricing and there not being one cheaper than $30K (save for the Leaf that no one wants), the lowest price ICE car/SUV from GM will be $21,400 (base model price, at that) after this year since the Spark and Trax are going bye bye. Ford's cheapest will be $25,500 for a gas only car or truck after the EcoSport goes bye bye this year. Only the hybrid model Maverick will be the cheapest at $19,995.

Close? It passed "close" two years ago when the folks who denied COVID in the first place, made it political.

Yeah, that would the result of fast yet half asleep typing and autocorrect getting drunk together lol.

Ummm, maybe you didn't see the "apples to apples" error there lol. I would sure as hell hope that an SUV Mach-E has more space than a two door pony car Mustang that happens to share the same first name. They literally have noticing else in common unlike the new Equinox.

This too. I have stated here before that the only real issue with direct sales is with dealership lobby friendly states (like Michigan) to prohibit (thorough existing laws) or suggesting further protections against direct sale car companies. They have fought tooth and nail against the model for decades. The EV demand for it is only the most recent battle line we see here now. If there is a failure of companies due to direct sale, then a lot of that blame should be shared by the various supposed pro "free market" governments who fought against the direct sales model their respective states. However, the ones Balth mentioned (Save for Rivian since they are now attempting said model in the real world) never even got to try out said model for reasons NOT related to direct sales. "Simplicity" did not kill them.