surreal1272

Question. Is this a VW thread or Mercedes thread? I’m asking because you keep harping on the same damn thing that clearly only matters to you. It just comes off as more deflection from the legitimate criticisms heaped towards your favorite brand. That is what makes no sense around here. And they are failing miserably at it this far. See previous this entire thread and supported articles as proof. All they are doing is ruining the names of the S Class and E Class with those boring and horrible designs that don’t even begin to resemble the cars they are meant to replace. Not even a semblance of “heritage” in there. Knowing that, it makes “keeping the name” seem pretty damn pointless.

Yeah, what do I know? I simply quoted actual reviews from actual people who actually drive them extensively and they all pretty much had the same opinions about the EQ sedans. Good f@#king god man! All of those cars are going bye bye once they go all EV, just like Benz issuing "EQ" in front of theirs. Furthermore, you talk a big game defending a company who has change their lettering on more than occasion. ML/GLK? GL/GLS? That's just for starters so please save us this bit about naming issues from a brand that doesn't even compete with Benz in the first damn place. Save that for Audi. Shhhhh! He's not supposed to acknowledge that. Any Mercedes fan that can make excuses for the ugliness that is the EQS and EQE, is capable of ignoring anything that's right in front of their face.

@smk4565-A quote from A comparo between the EQS and Lucid Air. Regarding the EQS, ”Finish, fitment, and quality is typical Mercedes perfection, but materials are good, not great. There's a marked use of plastic where it should/would be metal on its traditional gas-powered namesake.” ”The rest of the EQS' cabin is relatively straightforward and familiar, though if we hold fast to the idea of this serving as the S-Class of EVs, the interior is the largest disconnect. There's plenty of limo-esque legroom, but thanks to battery packaging and overall odd proportions, rear passengers have a tall knee angle thanks to a high floor that could prove uncomfortable for some. Still, both front and back seats are large and very comfortable, lending a lounge-like feel to the whole experience.” and lastly (in the same comparison) ”Add to this poor visibility, high frontal cowl, acres of LED accent lighting, and the slab of infotainment screen, and this is one of the most inelegantly presented non-AMG Mercedes we've interacted with in some time, at least by some staffer's standards.” Now show us the “best or nothing” in any of the above statements and hands on review of said Mercedes. Source: https://www.motortrend.com/reviews/2022-lucid-air-vs-mercedes-benz-eqs-electric-luxury-car-comparison-test-review/amp/

Again, ID is for the electrics. And of course there isn’t a “4” before that because there are ALL NEW CARS and platforms. FFS. It’s just common sense and you are still deflecting from the fact Mercedes has underwhelmed with their “best or nothing” offerings. He has to though. He can’t handle the fact that Benz that not put out the best or nothing with their EQ sedans. Just pure fanboy deflection. I’ve got some bad news for you. Unless you opt for the hyper screen setup and the package that accompanies it, the Benz interiors are garbage too. And what is this “Tech” that only Mercedes has? It sure as hell isn’t design “tech”, that’s for sure.

@smk4565 I guess it never occurred to you that VW uses "ID" the same way that Benz uses "EQ". The EV microbus is posing to be the ID Buzz, for example so maybe you need to find some other gripe that only you seem to care about.

Who freakin cares? I love you forgot that the named VWs are all ICE cars while this one is EV. Makes sense to have some naming distinction here. And if you took the Benz badge off of the EQS/E, no one would know it was actually a Mercedes, which is the core problem with the "best or nothing". Keep deflecting but it does not change the many negatives here regarding Benz. It's that simple. After one look at the base model variants of both Benz EVs, you would have to high on the pot to believe that nonsense. There it is. The old "they have X coming, and they have Y coming..." line. Irrelevant to what they have out RIGHT NOW. What are you not getting here? All I am saying is that are off to a $h!ty start if the EQS and the EQE are any indications. They can keep that jellybean mess.

And those are just for the much higher priced AMG models. Everything else is as I and Dave listed. My point was that maybe you need to leave out top speed as a criticism of other makes when your own favorite isn't exactly burning it up down the road. Keep polishing that turd though lol. But somehow "EQS" and "EQE" just roll off the tongue. LMAO! Deflection as this is a Benz thread and not a VW one. One can also say that Benz isn't really trying to be competitive either with their bland and homogenous designs for the "future". Actually, a lot of folks have already said that so...

@smk4565-Btw, the best or nothing EQS and EQE have top speeds of 130. Tesla Model 3 goes to 162 and the Model S goes to 171. Which company really has the bigger issue here?

Then you clearly haven’t read any actually reviews. Oh and given that going 99mpg would be illegal in this country, I’d say most folks don’t give two $h!s. Color choices, or lack thereof, do not a bad car make. You can always add different color choices over the next few years. It’s sure a hell of a lot cheaper than having to go back to the design drawing board on a $100K+ Benz disguised as a 2013 VW CC, only with a far worse view over the hood (a common complaint on both the EQS and EQE). Try again.

Sounds like there needs to be a search setting prioritizing higher wattage chargers.

When one uses humor to create “whataboutisms”, it loses said humor.

Looks better than any EV from Benz and it has been well reviewed overall so saying it is a “bad car” is factually wrong and just sour grapes posting since you can’t reasonably defend that polished turd that Benz produced.

It’s sad when the superlative for the best or nothing is that at least it’s the “largest”. Most luxurious is subjective as hell, especially when it sits inside an ugly jellybean shell. The E Tron starts at $65,900, putting it in the same range as the much uglier (and not near as luxurious at its base price) EQE. Stop using the top of the line GT example to sugarcoat the ugliness that your favorite brand produced for supposed mass consumption.

Both lol (to your first questions). Just finding parts to make them run would be worse than finding a needle in a haystack and the costs would be through the roof. My dad owned his TR7 between 1987-89 and I remember one of gripes was the cost of a master cylinder being $700. It spent more than half of its two year stay in his garage and he finally gave it the boot. Could not give me one with literal money on the hood.

You do realize, that while you're trying to have that "gotcha" moment with ccap, that the answer to both is the same right? Way to misconstrue but look at the line I quoted from you. In that same 3 months and ONE incident, dealerships across the country have been getting warned by manufacturers about price screwing their customers and have been doing far worse than that during the SAME 3 MONTHS. That "one" remark also show that you are using a very small sample pool there while I can pull up endless articles and tales of dealerships being scumbags.

My dad's 1977 Nightma..I mean TR7. He had this for less than two years before he dumped it and bought a '74 Porsche 914 (a much better car). After that nightmare...

Oh good grief. It's still technically a random thought people. Let's not get all "Bill Wise" over it. In yet another case of "When you just fell like setting your money on fire" (and sadly I know this all too well because my dad once owned a 1977 TR7)... https://greensboro.craigslist.org/cto/d/high-point-red-1980-triumph-tr7/7452966452.html

I'm not ignoring anything but you seem to be, at this point, as they corrected the only wrong out of this (pricing for reserved orders prior to March 1st). And they don't have any other stores but that is 100% irrelevant because: A)-What happened at Rivian is FAR less common than the thousands of cases of deanships screw overs that occur on a monthly basis and have been for decades. B)-They do have other choices even if they don't have other stores which is dumb argument anyway because, again, you are not buying from them anyway and clearly it's a model for a lot of folks these days who are tired of what I mentioned in A) If you don't how A.) has led to this, then I don't know what else to tell you. Yet not one thread, on your behalf, detailing the far encompassing problems with them, problems that are far worse and have been going on for FAR LONGER than this one incident by Rivian, hence my original "clickbait' remark about this thread. Which problem do you think affects more buyers? Rivian raising their prices this week or dealerships doing worse than for more than a half century now? But his salesperson was honest so it doesn't matter to him that much apparently. Now companies like Rivian, of which he has no intention of even being a customer, are the real problem because of this fantasy that direct models are the devil while the current status quo of dealership screwing is heaven on earth.

Maybe share that level criticism with those dealerships you are so ready to defend at a moments notice. That’s all I’m saying and again, much a damn do about nothing, for now.

Very true and they need to reassure their customers that they will be more forthcoming about future price increases without burning preorder buyers and such.

So they saw their mistake and fixed it, thus (for now) killing this much ado about nothing (again, for now).

Like I said, it is a screw up on Rivian part but including IPO issues is stretching the initial claim by Balth a bit though. That is, sadly, a more common practice than folks are aware of and certainly no unique to Rivian (IPOs, that is). Fact is though, that Balth has been beating this drum for months while ignoring or defending similar and sometimes worse practices at dealerships because they are not happening at his dealership so it really doesn’t matter to him, it seems.

And here we have those wonderful dealerships trying to claim lease cars from customers when their leases run out instead of letting customer offer to buy/finance it. Yeah, great option there from those mean OEMs. https://www.bostonglobe.com/2021/09/28/business/ag-advises-its-illegal-advertise-one-price-vehicle-then-charge-another/?outputType=amp

You don’t get to do that SMK. You had no clue about the $20K which (as Drew pointed out) is certain trim packages. Don’t act like you had foresight here when you didn’t. And please keep defending the $h! practices of dealerships, practices that have been proven to you time and time again so that you can deflect to OEMs like Rivian and make exaggerated claims of “bait and switch” while dealerships have literally been doing that very same thing (in one fashion or another) for decades. Again, refer to Ford and GM putting their dealerships on notice…or just ignore it like you’ve done up to this point. https://www.autocheatsheet.com/car-dealer-scams/bait-and-switch-car-dealer-scam.html And even after being warned by Ford, some dealerships are still being dirty but hey, we need them right? https://tfltruck.com/2022/02/report-2022-ford-lightning-bait-and-switch-a-dealer-is-still-charging-a-markup/ And just one google search on “car dealership bait and switch” reveals shots like this, Again, for the fourth time, what Rivian did was dumb. They let people reserve these trucks based on price estimates made almost three years ago. Some important things, like rampant inflation and COVID, have happened since then. Now, if they keep doing this, then there is a Tesla issue here. However, this is way more overblown than Balth wants to make it out. Show him the exact same practices done by dealerships, and he will say something like “well, I got a great deal at my dealership” like that discounts what happened at other places. Sorry, but maybe it’s best to let this one play out a bit before jumping to the gun crucify something you had no interest in buying in the first place.

As someone who has had ownership time in both a Plymouth and a Kia, I will respectfully disagree with your comparison.