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I checked and my arm rest does have the spring in it, and does stay open part way up/down.

I already liked McCain, but I like Palin even more. Shes a better pick then Joe Biden IMO.

I also had someone last week that told me I have a nice Lexus.

QUOTE (Satty @ Oct 24 2008, 07:56 PM) Eh, I cant really say I've noticed, partly because European imports aren't big sellers 'round here and partly because just about everyone else integrates them better than GM did with the eyesores on the Aurora. The fog lamps break up an otherwise huge expanse of plastic, and as I found out today makes for a fun bit of trivia at the local auto parts store.

Today I went to Pep Boys to get light bulbs for my rear fog lights (2001 Aurora). Me: I need the bulb number for my car. Person 1: Ok what kind of car is it? Me: 2001 Oldsmobile Aurora 3.5. Person 1: An what bulb do you need Me: Rear fog lights. Person 1: Rear fog lights? Me: Yeah Moment of awkward silence . Me: Yeah, in the back of the car. Person 1: Did you add them yourself? Me: No, they are in the back bumper, why? Person 1: Can you bring a bulb in so I can see the number? I go and get the bulb out of the car, come back in and the 1st guy went to lunch or something so another person came up and helped me. Person 2: Your looking for the light bulb right? Me:Yeah, 2001 Oldsmobile Aurora 3.5. Person 2: What bulb is it? Me: Rear fog lights ( hand her the bulb). Person 2: They don't make cars with rear fog lights, is it a brake lamp or something? Me: No its a fog light (point to my car parked outside). Person 2 : I've never seen that before. Me: Its an Oldsmobile thing. Took 20 minutes but I got my bulbs.

I've been told that the V8 is much harder (thus more expensive) to repair because the engine compartment is so tight. Even with all of the issues I've had, the Aurora is still a beautiful car, I'm slowly getting the bugs worked. My cop holders are the same, I don't have heated seats so my condensation just drips on the wood which makes me crazy. The real wood is a great touch, and the leather is softer then many other luxury cars I've driven including BMWs and Acuras.

I have the intermittent vibration (some days it happens others it doesn't). My arm rest doesn't stay open say mid way up, I didn't know it was supposed to have a spring in it, but I'll look and see whats going on with it. My interior buttons arn't scratch but I have seen other GM cars that have had it badly, my best friends sister had a 2000 Cavalier Z24 where the radio buttons were almost totally white from the paint chipping away. Mine was built December 2000. I actually like the cup holders though they don't hold the biggest cups that you can get from the drive thru window. I agree the interior is amazing, more storage then you can shake your proverbial stick at. I love the storage under the a/c controls (behind the wood door) perfect for holding my extra cds. Except for the quality issues, there isn't anything on the car I would change, save for an upgraded model (V8/navigation/Bose). Although I'm sure everyone thinks I'm crazy I take mine to the dealership(Buick/Pontiac/GMC) where be buy our cars because they have been great. When I had the transmission problem I talked to our mechanic and he was afraid to even walk near the car, BPG took it in 12 Monday afternoon and I had it back 2 Tuesday afternoon. Sorry gm4life, I didn't mean to hijack your thread!

My car's previous owner had the Secondary Air system replaced at the Oldsmobile dealership a few years back. I had the PCS replaced in that big transmission repair along with the input turbine sensor. My intermediate steering shaft was replaced last January. I adjusted the sun roof because it leaked, and my trunk leak wasn't due to that plastic insert, I had to re-glue the weatherstripping around the trunk to get the leak to stop. There have been a few Aurora owners on ACNA who have had their air shocks go, which according to my local dealership the parts are over $400. based on your alignment remark, I guess your car also has the infamous highway vibration? Its been a hot topic over at ACNA because no one can seem to find a definite answer for the majority of owners, much like the trunk leak, it happens for various different reasons. At the end of the day though, its still a beautiful car.

Does ACDelco make GM any money? If it does it would seem silly to sell one of the few bright spots at GM.

Maybe I got a Friday afternoon car? I've considered myself lucky, check out the Aurora Club Forum Link and you can read for yourself the many problems these cars face, bad air shocks, steering shaft issues, trunk leaks, and many of costly repairs.

Rental fleets don't care about AWD anyway...

In my last post I stated that my Input turbine sensor was acting up, well it acted its way to the dealership along with shift solenoids new trans fluid, etc and of course the usual oil change....$1,544.88. Now in the spring I'm going to need brakes...... like I said, I'm a die hard Oldsmobile nut but I've also had all 3 of the H body cars (92 Bonneville, 93 LeSabre, 88 Delta 88) and all were far better cars then my Aurora. A little humor, the 2nd to last time I got my oil changed there was another Aurora in the service bay (black 3.5). I said to the service manager "Hey nice Aurora!" to which he responded "Oh you don't want one of those, its a nightmare." Stick with the Bonneville, I sure as hell wish I did!

Its a lot of little things, the fuel and brake lines are totally gone, in fact I lost a brake line the other day and almost made friends with a tree. Shes leaking about a quart of oil every hundred miles, the heat isn't working, the master cylinder is gone. Time has taken its toll on the big 8

Tomorrow is the day, after 336,910 miles, the Delta is going to that big Oldsmobile dealer in the sky. Its been a long road with the 88, a car that has lived up to Oldsmobile's 100+ year reputation of quality while smoothing out the road to a point that my Aurora's ride is almost hard after a few trips with the 88. For those who have questioned the GM FWD cars of the 1980's I say this. My 1988 Oldsmobile Delta 88 Royale 4-dr did 336,910 miles on the original engine, original fuel pump, the original exhaust system last 321,000 miles, the original starter lasted nearly 300,000 miles. It took 18 years for the headliner to fall down even though the car wasn't garaged. The next time Websters needs to update its dictionary I suggest adding Oldsmobile 88 as one of the definitions of quality, durability, and reliability. As they said in the 1988 Oldsmobile brochure " And so it goes at Oldsmobile, as it has for the past 90 years. Doing it first. Doing it better. Offering the engineering innovations that make driving an Oldsmobile easier, more convenient, more comfortable and a down right pleasure. And doing it right. Demanding a level of quality and dependability so exacting, the Oldsmobile owner is assured lasting value, tangible value- over the miles- and the years."

These videos show the kind of stuff Chrysler needs now more then ever. 1. 2. Commercials that can people will pay attention to. 3. A fuel economy star (who didn't have one of these?) 3.a 4. Now the above cars might be on top of anyones list of 10 best cars, but they did bring profits to Chrysler and thanks to profits we got: Thoughts?

You can find an Aurora for around 7500, thats what I paid for mine last year ($7495) with 80,000 miles on it. Just for comparison the Bonneville I had was $200 :-D) As stated before the 3.5 is so smooth and powerful that I also highly recommend it. The down side is that it is a high maintenance car. I had a leaky trunk and the ISS replaced already, and now the Input turbine sensor in the trans is acting up. Check out the Aurora Club of North America forum before you buy one (I wish I did) and you can find all the things to look for. On top of what I've had on my car, others have had issues with vibrating front ends, air shocks, various electronics, etc. The positive is they ride great, have lots of power, and everything has a power button. My personal favorite thing is the center console because of how its slanted towards the driver.

Its nice to see Chrysler trying to become competitive. I hope this works because a strong GM needs a strong Ford and Chrysler.

I have had both that body style Bonneville (1992 loaded SE) and a 2001 Aurora 3.5. I love both cars but the Pontiac was a better car. Even though I'm a die hard Oldsmobile fan the Aurora is a constant maintenance car. The Aurora is much more modern, comfortable, and has plenty of power even with the V6 but the repairs will kill ya and many mechanics that I have dealt with don't like to play with the Aurora so mine always ends up at the dealership which means $97.00/hr labor. Edit: Tip, when buying an H body GM car pull back the trunk carpeting around the rear wheels. The wheel wells on these cars (Bonneville/LeSabre/Eighty Eight) tend to rot away, starting around the top or middle of the well then working its way to the trunk floor. Its hard to tell from the outside (tire side) of the well because 1. everything is black 2. the placement of the shock hide a lot of the well(which is were the rot starts) Both my 92 Bonneville and 93 LeSabre had rot here and both I fixed with fiberglass.

Very sad, this was the plant were my 85 Olds was built.

Ummmm Vintage Oldsmobile :drool: :drool: :drool:

11/15 I learned some stuff though!

I hope that there isn't a single one sold to consumers. What the hell is GM/Pontiac thinking with this POS?

Not everyone hates FWD, and some of us have those "wrong wheel drive" Cutlass models. Again: How can 11.9 million owners be wrong? The answer: With Cutlass Ciera selling over 500,000 units in 1985, and staying above 100,000 units a year until the end of production(like the Aura will ever see that figure)its safe to call the Cutlass in all sizes, shapes, and wheel drives successful. Think about it, the Worlds largest car companies second best selling car in its biggest market: Cutlass Supreme/Ciera/Calais/etc. 11.9 million sales is nothing to laugh at, and for those of us who don't mind FWD the FWD Cutlass models are solid cars, and in the days of 4 dollar a gallon gas they aren't a bad car for cruising either.

Like the famous Elvis album, can 11.9 million Oldsmobile Cutlass owners be wrong?

Rocket 88? Toronado? 442? Aurora? Curved Dash? Maybe Oldsmobile never existed?