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and in the end i guess that is what i was trying to say too. thanks for stating what ought to be the case here.

i can't disagree with that either (the plood part). the plood that was in my old 500 was barely passable. Again, the Regal's plood is not bad but i just don't have the confidence that the plood in the Verano will be of the same breed.

I would be much more on board with the plood if it were decent plood. The Regal's plood isn't bad, but that's German plood. Detroit / GM plood is typically bottom feeder. I have zero confidence it isn't going to look like sht.

basically i can bet you some marketers in Buick want this to be the next big chick car, like the Grand Ams and such were. Not a bad thing really if they rape the purses of young women and sell a lot of them that way.

NO PLOOD REQUIRED, PLEASE! Maybe they will limit the plood to the tan interior like the Regal, and those of us who think its looks cheesy in this car can buy the trim parts and swap them out with color or metal trim ones. other flavors.....

which gets back to one of my earlier posts. this is not an A3 competitor, Buick are fools if they think those accustomed to interior bliss that is Audi will get into Cruze Uptown edition and find Audi plastic. Like I said, this is GM's new Grand Am / Alero whatever. A 'nicer' chevy.

Don't assume the Verano will have the nice plastic and nice interior. Cart before the horse. I won't believe this as an upscale car until I see it. GM still doesn't consistently deliver knockout interiors. Until you see a truly excellent interior in execution, it's just a tarted up Cruze. The horrific looking plood in the photos and US assembly and sourcing lead me to believe you won't get anything bordering Audi quality inside this thing.

Wow, VW certainly was able to make sufficient legroom for adults in the back of its like sized car, the jetta. Maybe GM is simply incompetent.

ok shorty, obviously you see no benefit in 6 footers sitting front and rear in a car that purports to transport humans. (IN COMFORT) Verano is a slug with that much more power and that much more price. the extra 5-7 grand and extra 30-40hp should get you down to 7 seconds, min. the only sunny side to this is eAssist will be added probably and push those mpg numbers up sufficiently. A lot of times mfr estimates are very conservative though. All you probably need to do to determine where it really will come in on the 0-60 is simple math. Divide the curb weight of the murano into the curb weight of the Malibu and then take that number and multiply it by the best Malibu's 0-60 time with the 6 speed. You probably would be dead on.

that could be why the A3 doesn't sell. NFW this car gets cross shopped vs the A3, BTW. this is GM's new Grand Am is all it is. without the rear seat space the grand am had. apologies. some cars it works, others not. It just depends. Sometimes it really opens up visibility. Sometimes it just creates a dead triangle of crap. the triangle looks more awesome on the 3 door, which buick decided no one wants.

apologies. i'd fire you if you were my project planner at an automaker and you told me that. elantra 2700 pounds or 600 pounds lighter. conversely, the sonata weighs the same has bigger engine more room better mpg. weight is enemy of mpg everyone else is crashing to reduce weight Buick brings out a porker. 8.0 is a slug for a compact car with 177hp. even 1/2 second would be an improvement to ok. turbo, duh buick is above chevy so it would be logical to have it in the buick first. as for the rear leg room why bother with a rear seat if adults can't wedge themselves into it. 35 mpg cafe is coming and this buick can't match the malibu OR the EQUINOX. 'epic fail'.

exactly. can someone email Buick and tell them the PLOOD looks ridiculous and is hideous and will be the subject of ridicule? 3300 pounds? no rear leg room? 31 mph? only an 8.0 second 0-60? why isn't the turbo here now? Where are the 3 door and 5 door and wagon?

imagine if our income base in the country was looking up, we might be able to make a tiny dent in that deficit. But the elite would rather see us all working for min wage. the odd dichotomy of not wanting to pay wages and then expecting the government to pick up and pay for people's subsistence so they can continue to absolve themselves from paying for labor to strip their profit centers.

we may have slipped, is that because the brakes didn't work and the car took off by itself? toyota needs to prune its lineup. at least the truck side. one thing to note on the Lexus sales, Cadillac afficianados take note, the ES is the best selling Lexus sedan, the RX by far the best selling Lexus. IIRC the Audi Q5 is one of the biggest selling Audis. Just remember that an S Class killer may build some buff book cred but the SRX/Vue and XTS are pretty much dead aimed and parallel with the two best selling Lexus. If this doesn't tell you why Cadillac has gone the route they have on the Vue and the DTS Next Generation, then you aren't a student of numbers, market share, and income.

is it that new dexlube?

wasn't the Turd / Tundra supposed to outsell chevy and ford? memo to toyota, scion is sucking. take out the Lexus Camry and how is Lexus doing? Toyota like Honda is afloat because of its bread and butter models. Toyota has a lot of superflous models now. Was this the best month evah?

man i walked by a crosstour the other day. its so frickin upgly.

80,000 santa fe's is kind of disgusting. but it does say something that people will buy 80k of a mediocre crossover, this is why we don't have mainstream RWD sedans.

its way cheaper. the v6 is outrageously priced. there is truth to that but they should do basic engineering they forgot to do and get the engine control and transmission problems fixed.

Passat sales are disgusting, how do they figure that they will sell any of the new one that comes out next year?

rich fat old white guy who is an exec, board member etc of nearly all companies pretty much dictates that all our sht is made in china so he can continue to make 6 figures or 7 figures while his employees in the US make min. and the nice folks in china can make 25 cents an hour or whatever.

To the exclusion of worthwhile products is exactly the case. It would be nice if we had more choices. All some of us want is a choice!

fleet, but its also an inexpensive vehicle, lots of people need cheap wheels these days. I think Chevy would be wise to make an HHR2 (not an ugly Orlando). I see the Cadillac Vue is Caddy's biggest selling model. SO much for sigma! So much for Zeta S class fighters and 3 series fighters! Enclave carries Buick too. Terrain. Equinox and Traverse selling big at chevy. Crossovers grab a large part of the mainstream market. Cruze selling well to me, good job. I think its starting to gain traction. When i went to the dealer to look at the Cruze the other day, the salesdude had said their dealer alone sold 46 Equinox last month, they can't keep em in stock (especially the 4 cylinders). We all are glamorized by the higher end sport sedans and stuff but for GM, crossovers and mainstream / semi inexpensive sedans are really what drives sales and volume and keeps the door open. trucks too.

it is a little hard to swallow the elantra's curvaliciousness. It's almost too much. The Cruze design inside and out has more legs to it. the cruze is more well finished and to a higher level of detail. but the elantra is decent nonetheless.

probably the updated 3.6 the camaro is getting and then eventually a tt 3.0. or hey maybe they will throw some leftover 3.9's in it....