regfootball

i would much rather have a 'pontiac g3' than a 'chevy aveo', likewise i would rather ghave a 'g5 turbo' than a 'cobalt ss'. chevy is too plain. too toyota.

COOL. when do we get this. what i really want is a G5 sedan with the turbo.

having driven the v6 aura and v6 g8 i would say by the seat of my pants that the g8 might be as much as a full second slower 0-60, due to weight and one less cog. so your mpg argument holds water well, but the epsilon car i do think is quicker. If GM could fix that issue with the g8 then i would agree with you fully.

yeah, those thin japanese windshields, yah know. what made me feel TERRIBLE was one vehicle parked right in front of us taking a major beating was a BRAND NEW dodge journey sxt. no lie. it had the temporary dealer sticker in the window. I would even bet they picked it up and were driving it home that moment.

thanks a lot for the advice, blu. knowing what youre going through too, makes me feel lucky. It's hard to love cars sometimes. my friend suggested waiting to fix it until the last possible moment, also. he even said try to turn in the car that way and use it as a tool for getting a new one. if the dealer wanted the new sale bad enough, they may be willing to 'lessen the pain' in terms of paying for the damage. in fact, the dealer right up the hill that got killed in that storm one of them is ford. maybe i can trade them my hail damaged vehicle for a new flex in transit and they can just put in a claim for the 500 on their dime. checking out the damage again a bit today, most of the bigger dents on the hood / drivers side. the roof dents are much smaller but in both cases there are more dents than i thought yesterday. ugh.

here's the real problem. gm is so big there is no excuse to not have zeta and alpha like platforms. whether they are fat heavy pigs or not, is another issue too. Does Zeta have alum rear susp? where's the AWD? So is GM even equipping these platfroms with all they can? in addition they need a large and small fwd delta and mid and large fwd/awd epsilon. a microcar platform too. and GM should have enough resources to redevelop these platforms continuously. It should only take these days 30-36 months from nothing to showroom for a new platform. No model should have more than 36-48 months before a significant enhancement. gm should have a stable of motors and trannies that can be plugged in to just about anywhere, diesel, gas, 4,6, 8 cyl. turbo, ethanol, hybrids. GM is still tripping all over itself and is making progress but even here in NA most of GM's desirable stuff is still not in volume segments or is in the really affordable daily driver price ranges. No wonder GM is getting bitchslapped in the market. My reminder today was seeing the GXP torrent at the local dealer here....sticker...38k!! for that? cheap interior, 5 year old chassis, admittedly now a competent motor....but 38k? MY GOD WHO ARE THEY FOOLING? at least in NA, GM still is way behind, design, interiors (INTERIORS!), powertrains, options, fun to drive, pricing, technology........ their plan can work if the management can allow it! i say fire everyone in charge of these decisions. its obvious they are not stewarding the company like they should.

i have to say, the writeup changes my perception of this revision. i thought they were going to make it a floater, now it seems its a legit bargain offering compared to say the germans, and the rear drive japanese lux cars. i dont really like the inside or outside but i do appreciate nissan's effort to make it perform.

curse got me again. about 6 months since the last time. was driving. sudden massive hailstorm. big effing hail chunks. golf ball size and greater. so dense you could not see. it was like driving into gunfire or hundreds of folks banging on your car with hammers. frightening actually. my wife was the one driving. she actually managed to get it parked under part of an overpass to avoid a lot of hits. still the front and roof were getting raped. we drove again for a bit and then had to park again. one lady parked next to us and got out of her Japanese $h!hbox (CRV). her windshield was toast and she was moaning about all her dents. my windhsield has no cracks. Japanese quality. ha. surveying the damage, considering the intensity of the storm the car held up well. my aluminum hood has a fair amount of small dimples but no real huge ones. the roof got quite a few but again none severe. at least on first inspection. this sucks though. the car is a lease. if i owned the car i am not sure i would fix it right away. there is a ford and chevy dealer right up the hill from where i parked. it would be fair to say their entire inventory got pummeled. i'm mad but not. i did not have a very dreadful accident like blu had (hope you are doing ok blu). the car held up well because of its heavy construction. sucks though. my deductible is high if i choose to fix it. dammit.

i would like white. orange i used to like. red is perfect as is black. the v6 i drove was the dark gray, not a fan. the v8 i drove was black.

lmao.

base S ok price. anything with an automatic is too pricey. tdi too pricey turbo too pricey what is vw smoking

i agree, whats the point? even the CTS will dust this car off. Nice try Audi, your look is TIRED and OLD http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/...39/pageNumber=1

myer, that is great news because it seriously makes me consider it as my next car. i couldnt justify a small car for me if it only got 25. if i can get a fun small car with 30 mpg, i might just do it and the rabbit, i really like.

http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpcontainers/...20/pageNumber=1 glowing......and this car has a cvt

oy. my grass is way too high right now. i have to go shave it RIGHT NOW!

astra is a nice car that needs a hp infusion and some enhancements to creature comforts. its kind of a hidden market gem that is overshadowed by some of the other overall goodness of some market competition.

if i don't eat before i go to the grocery store my bill ends up being 20-40 bucks higher.

milk jugs are the best. all sizes, shapes. i like drinking straight from the jug. i think about jugs all day. ALL DAMN DAY!

fiero?

interior needs to be new!

my buddy had an X-11. kinda fun car, practical. Hey, think the dorks at GM are planning to rebadge citations or malibu maxxes into saab 9-3's?

yeah, and they say the fish sauce / fish oil is good for ya, but sometimes i am told there is nothing like a good juicy steak. never had steak myself.

since zeta is sold in AU and the middle east and china i think GM will do ok as far as amortization. i thought i read where zetas rear suspension isn't even aluminum. WTF? no wonder its heavy. having driven both the v6 and v8 G8 i will say this, the car at a minimum needs a v6, i don't think a turbo 4 would make for a desirable car. the v6 is not going to create wows. the turbo 4 would draw attention to itself as working way too hard to move the mass. what should happen is a high torque, good mpg 250hp / 280-300 tq direct inject version of the 3.6 which would get better mpg as a base motor, working at low rpms'. then put the 300hp di v6 as the mid level option and then the v8's. personally i would prefer an overhead cam v8, even with the small blocks good power. i like the cammy sound of OHC. the v6/5 speed in the g8 now needs to be refined and made 6 speed and smoother overall, so i can't see how a buzzy four with turbo whine can come off as good in that car. maybe gm is better off retooling in the future with a newer lighter weight rwd bias car. another of zetas faults, no AWD option. unforgivable if you ask me.

usually when i eat nuts i like to have some fish to eat as well. makes a well rounded meal.

you know i can relate a little bit of a similar story here. 3 yrs ago when i was looking to get into my car (which ended up being my 500) on the same day i test drove a 3 series and a cts, both with stick (3 series did not have sport pkg). the cts was used with the 3.2 opel motor. the bmw i think was a 328 or 330? the 3 series was composed and serene and all but quite honestly it was boring and dull. nothing to get wet over. the cts on the other had was fun and seemed to be more urgent in its moves and its suspension. i can only imagine how much better a 3.6 sport cts is and now even how much better the new 08 is. i ultimately had to pass on both because the cash outlay was too much and i wanted front drive and more utility but my point is that I too prefered the CTS to the 3 series that day. A hottie excoworker i know showed me her new 06 beemer recently and to be honest that didn't impress me either. i like the new cts a lot as well. in summation, don't assume the 3 series will always win the customer comparo. i really think the cts has an attitude that all the dull clinical german cars lack. perhaps that is why oldsmoboi likes them, regardless of if there is a price advantage with the cadillac sometimes. when i looked the get into price was the same and i still would have gone cts i think.....lease wise at least.