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but the problem is, the nissan altima, the only car to seriously challenge in retail sales the Camry and Accord's position, disproves your whole theory. it is stylish and incredibly sporty for the class, especially the new one. it's also elegant and very executive class, but the whole dimmension of the car is sports sedan. The question is Did the Malibu stray yet again to far towards the family spectrum in this class? The Aura is after all, just from the look, more of a sports sedan type than Malibu, but Malibu has far more shots at success than Aura does [brand recognition/history, dealer base, etc]. All that said, I do think the Malibu will be a progressive success for GM. I think it could easily top 300k sales in a couple of years. It will have a lot of buzz because it's a worthy GM car, and that alone will get it buzz, and its competitive pricing, powertrain, interior design, and suave exterior look will win over many. It may take a couple years to build the brand though.

Go Bears!

This is the experience I was talking about.I can see what everyone is saying in this thread. I can appreciate all the different views, and they are all really coming from the same place. It is a tough business, at first, but it can also be a very rewarding, confidence-building experience.

Is this vehicle a reality, is GM really making something of it, are we going to see Volts within a couple years, hopefully? This is one of the best concepts to come out of GM, and it addresses a need they should have looked as soon as 9/11 happened. It's also pretty good looking, imo.

I guess I'll echo what others have said here. It's not bad just underwhelming. The interior will probably be better in person, like the big GL is, and the front end is supremely attractive. The rest of the car is just okay, it's not all that robust or expensive looking.

you are missing some capabilities of reasoning, you keep missing the point

you're absolutely right. what makes them desperate for attention in the first place? is it the implementation of the idea of the "perfect woman" that is hoisted upon them in the first place? I mean, everyone can tell who is physically attractive, and if someone is better looking than them, but who decided that physical attraction is the only thing of merit in a human being in the first place? Why do girls think they have to show off thier tits and ass in order to be perceived as sexy? Image. It's a catch 22; I love it when girls where form-fitting clothes that shows off their curves and assets, like most normal hetero breathing males; but I also love it when a girl understands that's not nearly the beginning of what makes her a human being. You know?

you really don't listen to anything anyone has to say, do you? which is why I can't lend credence to the things you say.

that is not the point. she set a bad example, boom bam, that's it. it's not the fact that she tried it, it's that she let it get out to media who made a circus of her having tried drugs, drinking and being influence by the older Miss USA to do it; all those things go together. You know, a lot of Hollywood celebrities are into drugs, more than we often realize, but they keep it clean and private. They don't go out making a scene of it, beause they know how damaging it would be to fans if they were to know they did this. It's called values. she is a girl, only 18, I guess when you're 30 you'll realize how much of a kid you still are, I know I already have. that is also beside the point, she is a minor and drugs are illegal and she set a bad example. most drugs in the hands of most people can be incredibly damaging. EDIT: look let's just agree to disagree.

prime example of us being taught it's good to celebrate this.

even if we disregard a convincingly bad and shallow performance for her apology, it's still not humiliation to get to continue with her title and go to exclusive parties and events designed to cater to her needs. Not to mention the notoriety she will carry forever as "the crazy [cool] girl who partied with underage people and was a pageant winner," that's what she will try to paint, but it will not be the truth. Actions speak louder than words, as you said before. Dude she got an 18 year old GIRL to do cocaine and get really rowdy and drunk and go crazy, while playing a role that is supposed to be a role model for little girls everywhere, how stupid can she be? The multitudes that follow in the steps will see that as long as you cry and toss your hair flirtaciously your actions can go disregarded because you are cute. Rosie may be loud, argumentative, confrontational, but she can listen, she can stop herself, and all she is doing is talking; she's not forcing you to tune in to what she has to say, when Miss USA makes national news it's pretty hard to avoid her actions. What about a simple apology, a few tears, and a few classes at rehab screams humiliation to you? What Trump has done to Rosie on the other hand is to try and humiliate her, fortunatley he's only managed to deflect it on himself.

difference of opinions--to many young girls getting to be the flavor of the week and on many magazine covers is a celebration! humiliation? she probably could care less that she had to pretend to cry on screen---what mattered was all the parties she'd get to go to, still being in the tabloids, you know the norm.

she's just yet another example of how girls can act slutty, be drunks and druggues, and "wild" and be celebrated for it.

no, it really doesn't, but it was worth a laugh

would it have been a knee jerk response to ban someone, in this case Miss USA, who involved a very public underage figure, Miss Teen USA [only 18 at the time] in drinking, drugs, and heavy partying, that ultimately became very public? I'm not saying it's easy to pass judgement on those who do it, but in the spotlight you are scrutinized, hence the spotlight, everyone gets to see what you're doing. When everyone sees what you're doing, people are going to think it's okay to do it, because the person in the spotlight who they admire does it.

it goes long before you, that we're probably the two most argumentative people here. but I know we've both learned to pick our battles, and I wouldn't be arguing unless there wasn't something I really believed in.

you mean it's not fun to watch? :AH-HA_wink: it's not good, I know. Sometimes I just like to stir the pot, other times he just elicits a response with the points he goes after

I haven't gotten a chance to reply here, but this was awesome. I enjoyed it, very creative!

I don't know about his opinion on beauty, but it was an excellent read.

ok, damn the other thread's been closed and I wanted to say something to you, Croc, again. Something along the lines of pretending you know the reasons I do anything....... but anyways in response to your above post, you don't think him being on TV is him trying to force himself on us at all? Some on TV stay quiet, others have real integrity, others realize the fools they've made of themselves and never return, others keep making a bad name for themselves....Donald Trump falls into the latter category.

OKAY, you win! For a breif understanding of where "irrational accusations" came from read the context of the thread, you'll see I spouted off about people hurling insults and invective, rather than strong evidence. Hence the whole irrational accusations, then you provided the rather lovely bit about child-rearing abilities, here I thought you were a student didn't think you took a part-time job as a nanny for Rosie's children to make you so lovingly aquainted. So, Narcissus, that wasn't directed solely at you. Ooops, there I go with the name calling again. EDIT: I see you didn't respond in the other thread, please do, it'll be entertaining.

glad you're happy with GM, best of luck there!

I don't agree with your assessment of her. I don't believe she bullies, I believe she listens and corrects herself. I don't believe she has shown hubris, EVER. I don't believe she is disrespectful or rude. I do believe the whole Kelly Ripa thing was a bunch of inflamed emotions, on BOTH sides. But who cares? They are celebrities, and their job is to hash it out, keep things interesting. Ultimately with her, she keeps things interesting by sharing her opinions, because her opinions are interesting. If you don't agree, then just say that, but the accusations you are making are far from tthe truth. That being said, you can go along thinking what you want, and I will do the same.Also, yes actions do speak louder than words. If you had viewed the entire fight the way it played it out, you'd know she spoke on the subject once to share her first opinion, which is when he returned with the scathing remarks, then she gave a very brief and funny response, then for two weeks he bitched and moaned to whomever he could, then she remarked again. So who is the bad parent, and whose actions are out of line? Her kids also don't watch TV, which is a great example of what a smart person she is, so I doubt they even know about it. The whole grow up comment is yet again you trying to make me look bad. It's silly, you questioned something I completely, undoubtedly, and couldn't possibly more disagree with you, which is her parenting abilities, and you being the master wisdom of the world professed how your far-removed viewpoint couldn't be closer to the truth.

glad you asked, to a point, everyone on TV is making an example of themselves. Sure, it's up to as humans to decipher what we like, what we want to be like, what is wasteful, and everything on our own and for ourselves. So, ultimately, I have no say in Stranger A's decision to be just like Donald Trump, in every single facet of what Donald Trump is, and I cannot say that person is wrong, because they wouldn't care, and who am I to say anything about it. Not that there isn't one or two, or several things about Trump that I wouldn't like to be, BUT there are many other things about his character that I despise. Such as the things I noted above, his egotism self-aggrandizing nature, his complete apparent cluelessness in how to keep a family together. The things he said about Rosie, yeah in some ways he was defending himself, but he could have just stated the facts one time and let it go. Instead of defending himself with facts, like for example arguing he never declared bankruptcy which she alleged, he went after her for being fat, ugly, opinionated, and made her job situation a very very uncomfortable one alleging her boss didn't want her to work on the show. And he didn't just do it once, twice, or three times, he kept going, and even brought his wife and his daughter into a silly childsplay for publicity. What a waste.Such behavior is nothing short of a complete lack of integrity for me. Whether he, or any entertainer wants to admit it, they are influential to certain people, and there are many who believe his behavior was righteous, and will follow in his example, and thus degrade themselves. Just check the other thread for examples.