balthazar

Doesn't seem like you read any of the conversion above, dave. EVs lose compared to diesel in the school bus segment. Different operating parameters.

No it very likely won't; the buy-in premium is far too high. $70K vs. $200K. If buses could be allowed to be in service for longer, or ran a lot more miles, the answer might be otherwise. Too high price for a BE bus, too short a service life, too little miles. I too thought it was a good possible market, but the numbers aren't even close. If you have other numbers, please post them up.

A BE bus might only charge once a week (tho without a doubt it'll be written that they charge every. single. night). But note how the dollars per miles driven over 80,000 is going to seriously affect the 'cheaper to operate' cost of a bus that's $125 grand more than a diesel version. If a school could operate one for -say- 20 years, that disparity worth diminish. Maybe the rules could be re-written with an EV bus (not holding my breath, because; "THE CHILDREN!!!") - - - - - In other news, Drew; time to smash your piggy bank open! http://www.roadkill.com/someone-is-selling-a-267-mph-oldsmobile-aerotech-on-craigslist-for-3-5-million/?fbclid=IwAR1tpQwn0dEm26xI2JPYkC3Wy1Lo6zAVhlI81MR09rTFxVOAdwBDMcre0uo

^ Interesting anecdote. I rode a school bus everyday thru grade, junior & high school and we never broke down a single time. Whoa! 175 miles/day for a school bus?? Average bus annual mileage is 8,000 according to feds. 180 days of school (give or take) is 44 miles per day, not 175.

At highway speeds the vast majority of noise from a given vehicle is tire & wind noise, not exhaust/engine noise. I can’t hear my Duramax at 70MPH. Maybe. School boards are notoriously ignorant/uncaring about costs. I have seen numerous examples of this. EDIT :: I undershot the cost of an EV bus by a mile : So now we're talking about $12,000/yr to maintain a diesel bus's IC-specific service points (tires & brakes, for example, are replaced on both). Diesels are amazingly low-maintenance… while of course diesel fuel costs more than electric, buses don't log many miles on average (FHA states the average year miles is only 8,000). 'Cheaper to operate' does NOT address the bottom line cost.

I question that... unless we’re talking about a time span far greater than the average life span of school buses (12 years). Many states have age ceilings that halt ‘fleet replacement funding’- one article I glanced at said 10 yrs. If a new bus costs about $75K, a BE version might be expected to sticker around $100-120K. $25K pays for a LOT of IC-specific maintenance...

? buses seem logical for BE power.... as long as $500,000 buses dont bump school taxes as they explode budgets.

I should be-kinda laid up/ kinda popped one knee Wednesday.

Other than bleak sales predictions, which, you know; are legit- that makes little sense.

Anyone seen the Chevy BEV CUV pic floating around?

Sales of a particular model do commonly decline once a next generation is announced/expected, but that is not the case with the Model S.

^ insideevs shows 725 & 625 for Jan & Feb. Regardless, it's not bad, but its on the decline as the chart shows for 2016>2017>2018... and 2019 is on pace for only 14,057. That's 3 years of declining sales. The price bump & the Model 3 hurt the S. Agreed once you consider the price point.

^ It's averaging 1100 units a month- not setting anything on fire. 4 months out of 7 were in the 600-800 units/month range. The model 3 cannibalized a lot of volume out of the S, which is long-in-the-tooth at this point. Plus it lost it's 'entry-level' price tier and the tax credit is ratcheting down; a double hit to its pricing.

VW was hitting in the low 260s early on, but in the final approach was having difficulty hitting 245- I assume a byproduct of the depleting charge level- and after only a 6+ min run. Also; I realize it's a dedicated race car, but wow is that high-pitched whining annoying!!

Wife's Malibu has a rear view camera- neither of us use it. Son's Sonic (he's 22) has a B-U camera, he doesn't use it. It would be quite useful for backing up to a trailer, but other than that I don't find them particularly beneficial. - - - - -

Must've been tough being King ~

That’s one.....

‘Battery cost is 1/3rd of a new vehicle’s cost.’ I don’t believe that’s remotely accurate. It would mean a $21K IC vehicle would only be $27 as a BEV, when —except for 1– they start at $43K and go up from there.

True... in a few cases.

Marketing does continually strive to instill ‘need’ in consumers, so; yeah.

'03 ~

Since the above scenario won't happen in any of our lifetimes, why even bring it up?