balthazar

Usually you use humans to depict humans. I'm not getting aspirational/ inspirational vibes from 'My dog loves my car'.

I see at least 1 Model S every day.

Yes- can't stomach the mercedes-esque plastic cladding. BTW; subaru's commercials got me puzzled. Right now, their campaign is aiming at… dogs.

Last time I looked at a Forester, it had abysmal build & material quality. I thought it was a facsimile for the dealership floor, but it was an actual, factory-built production car. Outback is so much better that it's like it's from another OEM. Escapes are a possibility.

If exactly the kind of person you are is 'drinking a Lava Lamp and having sex with a German Shephard'; Okee-dokee!

Some funny bits in it, which is all it really is; a vehicle for bits. But our take-away is this : Prius = losers and soup kitchen sex. There it is, all tangled up together in my mind again.

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I find it tough to get 'prius' and 'soup kitchen' untangled in my mind.

I had to google that. Not sure what you found via googling, but 'B' = Beyonce. Some call it 'curves', some call it 'thick', I call it what it is : fat. She fat, and I'm not talking about phat.

B be fat.

This is a 3rd vehicle, mostly for my son to drive. I have my crew cab 2500HD for those things you mentioned. No- the bed on mine is open, but I work around that with few issues. I watch a friend of mine who's a painter work out of a Honda Element… way too tight IMO for him. Yes, I know that's smaller than the typical minivan. Transit connects I've ruled out- too much dollars for what you get.

IMO, because cars aren't designed by stylists, but more so by computer, the wind tunnel & regulations today. That' and the smaller the package, the harder to get it to 'flow'.

I don't know what it is about the minivans, but I'm shying away from them. Maybe all it is is image, IDK. I haven't noticed a local taurus X advertised... Circled a super slick white Stingray Z51 convert for fun, wow are they wild up close, sticker was $81,8xx!

Agreed. Also seeing the local used dealers trying to sell vehicles with 200+K miles- who's buying that??

Ya- they're all closed here on Sundays. Always a few fellow 'skulkers' on each lot. Walked an 'Auto Lenders' monster lot, seem to all be maybe off-lease vehicles, very clean but no older than '13 and most everything over $20K. Buick-GMC lot, Chevy lot, Ford lot, … not seeing any specific candidates. There seems to be a used market gap between the sub 40K mile off-lease vehicles, and the 90K plus 5-yr old & older vehicles. Makes sense, but doesn't help me out. Will keep looking.

Going today to 'lot skulk'… will report tonight.

'Perception' often trumps reality, tho.

RE the "two extra people", I see the Model S's optional jump seats are only usable by kids generally between 35 and 77 lbs. At the upper end, the average kid won't fit back there height-wise. I realize the Model X won't fall under the same headroom limitation for it's 3rd row, but ironically it looks like the ingress/egress is very tight. RE the 'upscale' comment, IMO the Model S is more prestigious due to it already being a perceived top shelf sedan, and it has the looks to back it up. The Model X doesn't have the slinkiness of the S nor the broad-shouldered athletic look of the Cayenne. IMO it looks vaguely neutered. I just don't see it having the same caliber of appeal as the S, and in that it's price can handily exceed the S, this seems to place it above the S in the hierarchy, and I wonder if that's Tesla's intention or not.

Toyota's in this era were too often shoddy, I wouldn't put my money down on a toyota. From what I read, all the post '03 Saturn 3.5L were honda engine/trans. Yes, I saw people with Vue's having honda trans issues; don't see why it would be different depending on the vehicle it's in...

Looking at a brochure online and yes: there's 1 V6 for the '04 Vue, the 250 HP 3.5L. Cargo area with rear seat down is 64 CF- not too bad. Overall length 181". 2004 rating: 19/25. Wondering now about the honda transmission…. Other than that, the specs aren't bad. EDIT :: reading too many trans-related questions/issues online. If I wanted trans issues, I'd keep driving the Taurus. Vue is out.

Pretty sure it's not a Red Line. Are all this year Vue V-6s the Honda engine, or were there 2 V6s?

OK- looks like the initial model X's sold were '90's & that's where the "$132K" is coming from. The online sites I tried (Edmunds, Autotrader, TruCar) are still showing it as a 'future' model (or not at all).

Drewster~ >>The Model-X wasn't a mistake. The excessively expensive frills they put on it were a mistake. It would have sold just as well, if not even a little better due to potentially lower price, with normal doors. Having normal doors could have knocked up to $10k (my personal estimate) off the price and allowed the vehicle to launch sooner changing nothing else about the vehicle. People buy $70k - $80k SUVs all day every day, and it would have been a hit. But the Model-X wasn't a mistake... it was a necessity.<< Model S, a far more upscale product than the Model X, starts @ $70K. Model X MSRP is not yet official, but sources are saying it'll start @ $132K. By that token, I can't imagine how a conventional-doored Model X would be $52K MORE ($132K - your $10K estimate for the doors) the vehicle than the Model S is. Or are the doors 'worth' closer to $50K, somehow? At the very least, mistake or not argument aside, the Model X is grossly overpriced for what it is. Or is Tesla trying to say the Model S has just been demoted to 2nd class & the X is the flagship? Model X is a necessary expansion of a 1-vehicle catalog, but it's wide of the mark on a number of factors, where the Model S got it right. Drewster~ >>The gas tax hasn't been raised in over 2 decades while fuel economy overall has improved... meaning you get much more miles of travel per tax paid than ever before. In your new truck, you pay about 0.7 cents per mile in fed gas taxes...<< Annual U.S. mileage has been constant over the last few years, about 3 trillion. But the state/local fuel tax rate was hugely adjusted in 2009, reducing what had been averaging $38B/yr, down to only $9B since 2009. Also, the federal mileage allowance for businesses, which was .36/mile in 2003, was raised to .55 in 2009 in answer to gas prices being solidly over $4/gal. However, tho gas prices now are lower than they've been in decades, the 2015 mileage allowance is higher than ever : .575/mile. Sure that helps the little guy (and major companies), but the flip side is Gov't is losing billions in revenue because they just can't react with any sort of timeliness.

Here ya go! http://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/reviews/a27099/1982-delorean-dmc-12-road-test/ 0-60 : 10.9 secs 60-0 : 158' top speed : 109 MPH