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^ Was in a similar split-level today to do an estimate (gut & remodel both upstairs bathrooms). Grew up in a 2-story Colonial, didn't like stairs then, had a ranch custom-built I'll have been in for 29 years this November.

^ I was actually addressing your commentary toward ccap41 not owning a MB. And I said 'maybe'. ? And I'm the same way, BTW; what I buy and what I can afford to buy are not really in the same circus tent. But for the MAJORITY of vehicle consumers, I would hazard that's not the case... otherwise I doubt there would be 84- & 96-month payment schedules. While Autoline Daily reports the average new car price in 2020 is "$40K", note that is transaction price, not MSRP price. InsideEVs listed 46 BE and PHEV vehicles on sale in the U.S. in 2019. So I sat and did the math; looked up each models original MSRP (NOT transaction price), and the average 2019 new EV car price was $52K. So yeah; IC cars are expensive at an average transaction price of $40K. And stripped, option-less EVs are even MORE expensive at an average base price of $52K ($60K @ transaction price??)

^ Maybe it's simply that they're too expensive. ?

It's a job site heavy equipment refueling service. Heavy equipment (and commercial grade diesel trucks like my 2500HD) have larger filler pipes; they take larger diameter fill nozzles; the fuel flies out.

More of the same, shadily-calculated / over-estimated numbers, conjured up out of thin air, that the BEV OEMs too frequently use: >>"Your trucks and equipment are costing your money when they are waiting to be fueled. If you assume getting fuel averages 30 minutes per day, per vehicle, for every time fuel is needed (it's often more) then the waisted time can add up to days or even weeks of lost productivity."<< 30 minutes to pump fuel into a machine - is it a 1000 gal tank?? Nonsense. Then they state that fueling 1 vehicle once per week will "save" you $555 in "annual labor costs"... but of course their site has zero mention of their formula for calculating this or the COST OF THEIR SERVICE. Garbage propaganda. And proofread your website copy; you're trying to get customers here.

You misunderstood. The '20 number of 5.6% is market share. The 20% year over year was a marketshare increase from about 4.7% to 5.6% (4.6 + 20% (0.94%) = 5.6% Annual growth rate isn't 5.6%, it's 1%. At this same rate, market share of BEs in 9 years would be about 15%, not 45%.

Except ~ 1. No one is claiming/promising/having blind faith they will, and 2. IC vehicles are a fraction of the cost of an equivalent BE.

It unquestionably is. You stated ‘costs always come down and BEV’s costs will come down’ with NO evidence or past history to support that (with one singular exception). The ante’ for EVs are anywhere (on average) of 25% to 100% and much more, vs. IC variants; electric backhoes and electric school buses are triple the going cost... but you continually ignore that while spouting empty platitudes like ‘Oh, just move forward into the 21st century’, like everyone has the financial ability to pay double or triple what they can afford. Seems you have an obvious and chronic disconnect to reality of mainstream consumers. That’s fine, but you should probably recuse yourself from speaking to the median consumer scenario of the auto industry, because you seem to just not get it.

2020 vehicles sales in India (including 2- & 3-wheelers) was 26.3 million. EV market share with a 20% increase over 2019? One-half of 1%. Banning IC by 2035? Ah to the Ha.

Misinformation. Prius's price hasn't gone down. Model S's price hasn't gone down. We have ONE example of a BE vehicle price going down in the U.S. - the Chevy Bolt. So tone deaf.

Yes; 1970. Coupe is 4700 lbs, 3.90 gears, 11.4 in the quarter mile. I love it because spec-wise it's close to what I'm building, but my car should be 500-600 lbs lighter.

I briefly poked around to try & find Kona EV vs. IC sales numbers, but came up empty. That, and a possible Escalade scenario, would be very telling case studies for the take rate of a BE vs. IC. Someone find the Kona numbers...

I sorta like Lamborghinis, but the color & convertible style are ugly. Rims aren't doing it any favors, either.

^ ^ ^ India Jag I-Pace : $147,000 India Tesla Model 3 : $68,000 75% of cars sold in India : Under $10,000. EV fans : "Electrics will be at 100% in India in 14 more years!!" ? ? ? ? ?

Oh, and the Cat 323F Z-line you linked to above costs TRIPLE what the diesel variant does : $680,000. I know that matters not at all to you, but it's a deal breaker for small businesses, and just puts more market share control into big business conglomerates, reducing competition and pricing control. But hey; what's a few tens of thousands of small companies & their employees put out of business, right? After all, "they can always retrain for another industry".

We never had a hired fueling service, ever. [Some folk might say a refueler/recharger with 'market adjusted' energy costs is an "idiot" situation, automatically not considered. I assume.] And we never hauled equipment to the shop to fuel them. Can you imagine any other scenario? There is no "might" about, not remotely. Even a few generations ago of the 6.6L Duramax were surprisingly quiet. Not that more than a handful of people really care... What's "superior" about the work itself performed?? Funny; Case stated their BE machine does work "equal" to diesel variants.

^ There’s a series of videos by Vic Edelbrock testing a clear differential cover. Very illuminating; as all the differently shaped aftermarket covers all performed notably worse than the ‘boring’ stock cover.

We were talking about construction equipment. But modern factory-spec diesels are amazingly quiet; you almost can’t tell the GM 3.0L TD is one standing next to it. Don’t worry; we’ve seen the outfits producing IC digital tracks for BE cars so they sound powerful; as many ‘loud diesels’ as there are now; some day there may be as many loud electrics. ?

• Portable ‘recharger’ services don’t always show up and can’t possibly hit all sites in 1 area first thing. A down machine is money lost. I guess these are the same billed service companies that are going to traverse the inner urban areas where folk park on the street, charging their cars every morning? ? • David, you’re the only person I’ve ever heard with apparently super-sensitive hearing, that’s worried about a diesel engine’s noise. They’re not at all unpleasant in volume. • I see your response as someone who believes that electricity is a magical cure-all that has no downsides and can & will service everyone seamlessly, and wxplains away every contrary scenario with zero concerns for the associated costs. Good luck with that utopian fantasy future! ?

Trucks, at least, can make you money back (like in my case). I'm among those who do not like paying more than I have to. I've only owned 1 new vehicle out of 22 because buying new is a nonsensical financial move... but yes; #23 will be brand new and yes; it's going to be mad expensive. I could get something off-lease that would do the job, but sometimes you treat yourself But I'm also in the camp of 'if 2 parties agree on the price, that's what the price then is'. I abhor folk who say 'I don't like your price because you only paid X for it' - that's emphatically irrelevant. I had a customer once ask me if I offered a cash discount. I said 'yes; 10% on labor'. They returned 'You aren't in the 10% tax bracket!' Me: 'What does that have to do with anything?' He’s been my customer probably 10 years now. Worked on his house, his business and his trucks.

Competition / commerce.

I dunno; Mach 1 was already $60K. That's unquestionably in the 'disposable income' range. I doubt the bottom line (# of customers) would change much if it were $70K from the factory. And if 'market adjustments' didn't work, dealers would discontinue the practice. IOW; buyer is still paying $70K if it's all factory or factory/dealer; they can always walk away. Most folk don't like to pay anymore than they have to, but it's inarguable that there is that pool who'll pay $60K for a $27K Mustang, or $100K for a $40K F-150. To some, its even bragging rights. ?

Allow me: All stock body/interior, naturally-aspirated big block Buick (tho I believe around 490 CI).

That's what SO MANY people said about Starbucks.

^ That top Electra coupe is a real sleeper (other than the exhaust). I think I posted a vid of it here whuppin' on a 392 Challenger on the strip. - - - - -