scotthendersonfan

The Ford duratec engines are very coarse and unrefined in my experience. That can be balanced out, but the Honda engines just seem to designed from the ground up to be smoother and more precise. The 4 banger in the Fusion is just rubbish compared to the Accord 4 cylinder. You're almost afraid to step on the gas because the engine just makes a lot of unpleasant noises but doesn't really go anywhere. The 4 banger in the Accord pulls surprisingly strong for a 4 cylinder unit in such a big car. The VQ puts out more noise and vibration than something like the Camry but it's good noise and vibration. Lets see how the new Mazda does. It does look nice. Malibu I haven't test driven yet. The Accord is definitely the smart and practical buy here but it is just too ugly on the outside with all the weird lines, angles and curves. However, it is very much a Honda and pretty high quality, more so than any of the other current competitors.

In any case, coming back to the thread, pick up any new Toyota technical engine literature and you will see the SAE J1349 logo and a description stating that the engine has been rated in compliance with this new OPTIONAL standard. How else do you think the power dropped in 2005? Since then, all their engines have been tested under that standard. You can debate (if you can call it that) on an internet forum all you like, but I can tell you that IT IS A FACT. Maybe you need to witness the testing with your own eyes or see it published on the SAE site but that's alright, some people are paranoid. In the meanwhile, know that the engine makes the power that's stated and if you were to test it using the SAE procedures today, you'd come up with that number as well. BTW why're you so hung up on Toyota. If it's all GM and no one else, why not blame BMW, Ford, MB and everyone else as well?

Comical meltdown would decribe YOU in that other thread when you accused me finding unavailable magical Toyota photos. Oddly, you never showed back up there. Again, I don't know what you're referring to here. Every single Toyota engine is SAE certified under the voluntary SAE J1349 certification. That is exactly what GM is doing. Prior to the new SAE specifications in 05, some manufacturers like Toyota and Chrysler used to specify gross HP (what the engine makes) while some like GM used to specify net HP (which gave you the net HP available at the flywheel with all accessories and emissions losses taken into account). The difference in HP could be as large as 100HP but no one was lying, it was just a difference in reporting what kind of power it was. Of course, those who were reporting net HP all along didn't see a large drop (some actually rose like the Z06) while those reporting gross noticed a loss in output. The engine was still putting out the same amount of HP so all the performance figures remained the same. Almost every single manufacturer adheres to the voluntary SAE certification because it's taken as an industry standard. Now you can come back at me with some witty BS like you seem to be so good at but I think I've explained it clear enough. Some people enjoy arguing for the sake of arguing and putting other people down. I'm not one of them. Take this post for what it is.

Jeezuz calm down will ya? I just visited the link mentioned in the first post and the photos were there.

Huh? What's with all the sarcasm and weird poetry. Are you a prick like this in real life as well? It's just a discussion forum man, take it easy. The engine you mentioned was SAE rated, not intially, but towards the end. That explains the drop in the HP. But since then, every engine they've put out is SAE rated. Pretty much every single manufacturer does it nowadays. So if you're looking at an 07 or 08 model for instance, the engine will be SAE rated for power and will correspond to the new EPA standards for gas mileage.

Every single Toyota and Honda engine is SAE J1349 certified. Don't see what's the big deal about it.

Don't know where you're getting all that from. That is one of the best and highest quality interiors in any Toyota to date. Non-nav model

Huh? Torque is torque whether an object is moving or not. When force is applied in the direction of motion and the object moves, you do work. If force is applied and there is no motion, no work is said to be done. However the force (torque) is still being applied.

The Tundra makes 401 lb-ft torque. Assuming all 400 lb-ft is utilized, the torque driving the tires = 401 x 3.333 x 4.1 = 5475 lb-ft. If you assume 18" wheels, the force at the road surface is approx. 5475 x 12 / 9 = 7300 lbs. Assuming the Tundra is 5000 lbs like you said, assume there's about 1250 lbs at each wheel (for simplicity). Therefore the max friction = 0.8 x 1250 x 4 = 6250 lbs. So I don't think they were lying.

I'm going to go old school with a Corolla

Zero CGI or special effects, just good camera work. Toyota even makes that claim at the beginning of their ads. The making of the different ads can be seen on the Tundra website.

Actually both cars are 2008 models being released in 2007 (sedan will be out September 07)

You're confusing design with quality. GM in the past had issues with both. Then their designs started falling in line and now finally, their quality is coming close to the competition.

I'm sorry, the Edge's interior is nowhere even close to the CRV's interior. It looks ok in photos but in person, it is the same old Ford - cheap, cheap, cheap. Compare The Edge's interior to Ford's own Mazda CX9's interior. You may not percieve the difference in quality in these pictures, but I assure you, in person, there's a major difference in the feel of both interiors. The CRV is the same, it is a very quality interior compared to its competition. However, I have still not been in any of the Lambdas but the Acadia and Enclave interior look first rate.

The DX is a BS model. I don't even know why Honda sells it. I'm not too thrilled with the new Civic's (my friend owns one) interior. There are many bits and pieces that I found that were a lot cheaper than the last generation Civic. However, I was extremely impressed with the car's chassis rigidity. You'll notice it every single time you step into that car from another car. The chassis just feels extremely solid and stiff over bumps and undulations. The result is almost zero creaking, squeaking, noises etc. (drives me nuts). Also, the doors close in a very secure and cushioned fashion. Overall, a very impressive car for the class that it is in.

This is for regfootball. Here's a chop of the front with the camouflage removed. It looks a little sharper than the Scion tC nose to me (which is not a bad looking car to be honest)

There are no standardized tests and Toyota can't incorporate a testing routine for every state. The Prius is OBDII compliant. Unfortunately Georgia isn't.

http://www.greenhybrid.com/compare/mileage...a-priushsd.html 1200 users in that database. Those are all real-world numbers, mostly city. Find me another midsize car that can get 45+ mpg in the city.

There's a minimum of one year wait to buy one. They're already pre-booked and sold out for one year.

Photoshopped version of the above photo based on the Accord Coupe Concept (almost exactly the same) with the white camouflage covering the tailights removed and different wheels Concept

Fantastic design as it is. But they're going to have to water it down significantly for production purposes, and then how would it look?

Rental Special

I like it a lot minus the nose.

Concept shown is very close to production model. Will arrive in late 2008. Powertrain 500+ HP V10 (under 5 liters) 9000 RPM redline Front midengine placement Rear mounted transaxle Rear mounted radiators 200mph Top speed. Tire Size Front: 265/35R20 Rear: 305/30R20 Dimensions (inches) Overall Length: 175.6 Overall Width: 74.6 Overall Height: 48.0 Wheelbase: 102.3

Well the previous EVO's interior is hardly anything worth discussing. Mitsu could take this car further upmarket if they wanted by making it an exclusive model. But then you wouldn't be able to afford the car anymore. It's already among the best handling cars in the world, making most other cars look sloppy in comparison. A 0-60 in under 4.5s definitely makes it more exciting.