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  1. As regards to the weight of General Motor vehicles in general has made me think and ponder why are the vehicles heavier compared to other car manufacturers. Weight of an automobile is dependent on three major component classes 1. Driveline 2. Equipment and accessories 3. Structural Components Driveline, again not too much different, as GM is using the same technology in case of DOHC, and pushrods are usually lighter than their OHC siblings, and as a matter of fact GM is known to have transmissions lighter than other manufacturers. Equipment wise the GM cars more or less match their competitors, so the weight will not be too much different from the others. This brings to the final class, the structural components. Structural components usually make the bulk of the vehicular weight. Now we all know GM vehicles are almost on par to the other vehicles in their respective competing classes, when it comes to safety and have structural rigidity almost equal too. Which means the design strength of the structural components used in GM vechiles is almost on par with its competitors'. Now the strength can be achieved by high-yield material (steel and or aluminum) requiring less quantity (thus less weight) or low-yield material requiring more quantity (thus more weight). Many a times a high-yield materials with smaller quantity end up being more expensive than quantity of low-yield materials required to produce similar strength. Especially high-yield aluminum is much lighter and can achieve strength equivalent to steel, but the down side is it is much more expensive to use aluminum compared to low-yield steel. In GM press releases of regular vehicles, I have never seen GM talk about taking weight saving measures and achieving higher structural rigidity in the same breath, either by using high strength aluminum or high-yield steel in frames or structural components. They mention about the structure being rigid, but hardly allude to how they achieved it. Yes they do boast about weight saving measures in the Vette, and Hybrids and how painfully did they achieve saving the weights. Hence, I think GM is using low-yield steel components, which are required in a greater quantity than a high-yield material to achieve the same structural rigidity, and thus keep the cost down. The downside? The increase in the weight you see in current GM vehicles.
  2. If they would have been non subjective based on "quality", performance, style and ergonomics, I think G35 would have spend time third with BMW coming in first and CTS second. Since when after clamoring all along for need of quality did these rags come against not judging it?
  3. The Car and Driver Quoted the Cobalt SS 2.4l coupe at 2880 Lbs. They usually are about 100-125 lb on the higher side as they weigh with full tank of gas, so your numbers, do not seem far off griffon.
  4. Well that answers the problem. Are you making more hp than the stock?
  5. It will probably look like this 1. Accord (still hump them regardless) 2. Altima (still prefer their crappy interior) or Passat 3/4. Malibu or Passat 5. Fusion 6. Crapry (Yes it has been beaten by the Fusion quite a bit of times) 7. Sonata I did not consider the 6 or the Kia (since it is the Sonata Sibling) and the Aura (same reason as the Kia).
  6. Again on the highway at 80mph, that is about 32mpg, not bad compared to the current EPA estimates, which are indeed 32mpg. I have usually noticed that the car loses about 2-3mpg if you go up from a average speed of 70-75mph to 80-85mph. My Lumina gives me 32mpg on highways at an average speed of 71.2mph but returned 29.3mpg at average speed of 80.5mph. My TSX does the same thing. 36.5mpg at 70.6mph, while 34.2 at 79.2mph. I did not get chance to test my Z06 with that, but it gave me 31.5mpg at average speed of 74.3mph. So you are right in the ball park.
  7. And they whine about the $11K price seperating the cars and give nod to the cheap thing. Since when did a car with non elegant cabin, doubtable build quality, and inside showing wear (only after a few thousand miles) won a comparison of Entry Level Luxury Sedans. Didn't the Caddy make the cut because of having the very same problems in the previous iteration?
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  9. Fishy indeed. You should have kept your calm, I know it is difficult, but knowing that you were shaking made him go even more after you. And I agree with others. Keep those 4MC's safe.
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  12. Do you drive in city, with heavy BtBT (Bumper to Bumper Traffic)? With 11.5L/100km it is about 20.6 mpg, close to 22mpg city rating, with 9.5L/100km it is 24.9mpg. I have a friend who owns it (and it is a stick too) he used to get 25mpg in city, which was pretty close to the old EPA ratings, and often busted it to 36mpg on the highway.
  13. TOUGH CROWD By Josh Jacquot, Senior Road Test Editor Email | Blog Date posted: 11-04-2007 Linkity BMW's 335i has dominated our recent comparison tests like Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell would dominate Paul "Pee-wee Herman" Reubens in a face-punching contest. Its reign over counterparts from Infiniti, Lexus and Mercedes-Benz is as well documented on this site as the Iceman's rage-fueled rise to fame was on pay-per-view. But every great performance must come to an end. This is exactly why we gathered this group of sport sedans. That is, to find out if the 2008 Cadillac CTS, 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport, 2008 Lexus IS 350 or 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport can topple the Bavarian champ — the 2007 BMW 335i. In the spirit of the segment, each car in the test is outfitted with sport package hardware — usually a stiffer suspension and bigger wheels and tires — and an automatic transmission. Still, each car has its own personality, as each manufacturer's interpretation of sport, luxury and utility varies widely. So, too, does each car's as-tested price. However, the $11,000 spread that covers the field does so in almost direct proportion to each contender's feature and luxury content. We've weighted scoring according to the priorities of the sport sedan buyer, giving equal measure to price and performance, followed by feature content and our 31-point evaluation. 5th Place: 2008 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport The fact that the new C-Class finishes last in this test is a testament to the fierce competition in this segment and the tiny differences in performance. Here's a car that costs less than the class average ($41,935, as tested), makes handling numbers on par with the best in the test and has a superb interface for its high-end audio and navigation systems. Plus it's built, well, like a Mercedes. It's easy, however, to see where it falls short. It was best at nothing — bringing home 1st place in exactly zero categories. Perhaps the most costly miss is its powertrain performance. The Benz's 3.5-liter V6 is rated at 268 horsepower and 258 pound-feet of torque, making it the least powerful car in the test. Seven forward gears offer plenty of leverage on the road, but its acceleration still suffers. It hit 60 mph in a lazy (for this crowd) 5.9 seconds and stopped the quarter-mile clock in 14.3 seconds at 97.7 mph — the second-slowest car here. The trade-off for this lack of performance is the highest observed fuel economy in the test — a combined city/highway average of 20.6 mpg. This isn't a particularly spacious car, with 88.2 cubic feet of passenger volume, although rear-seat room has increased some with 33.4 inches of legroom and 36.9 inches of headroom. Standard feature content, too, is a C-Class weak point. Mercedes either makes buyers pay extra or simply doesn't offer many of the features its competitors make available. Steering-wheel shift paddles, for example, aren't available on the C-Class until next year's advanced agility package becomes available. And let's face it; short of bumping output by 50 hp, nothing is going to make this car as agile as its competitors. Adaptive headlamps, a limited-slip differential and keyless start are also conspicuously unavailable. The C350 Sport's unique appeal depends on what appears to be good build quality (a reaction to surprisingly poor quality ratings for this car in its previous iteration) and a stellar multimedia package (a $2,950 option) that combines a premium audio system with hard-drive music storage and a brilliant navigation system with an impressively easy-to-use interface. The bottom line is that there's nothing wrong with the 2007 Mercedes-Benz C350 Sport. It's a high-quality — if dispassionate — execution of the sport sedan genre. It's antiseptic in its rendering of performance numbers and utterly lacks the flamboyance of the Infiniti and BMW. And that's precisely the problem. It drives well, but there's nothing here that makes us want to get behind the wheel for more. 4th Place: 2008 Lexus IS 350 The 2008 Lexus IS 350 is the reason we put words between every car's performance numbers. It's fast thanks to a 3.5-liter V6 rated at 306 hp and 277 lb-ft of torque and a six-speed slushbox. It gets to 60 mph in 5.3 seconds, does the quarter-mile in 13.8 seconds at 101 mph and makes handling numbers that are within spitting distance of the best in the test. These dynamics shouldn't equal a 4th-place performance. Here's where those words come in handy. Not one editor who scored this test was able to find the kind of personal connection with the Lexus that they felt behind the wheel of the top-scoring cars. Its awkward, synthetic steering, soft brake pedal and slow-responding transmission kept us from maximizing the Lexus' man-machine interface. Synthesizing the IS 350's abilities with one's own limits was near impossible, and it earned less confidence in its abilities than any other car in the test. And it's not because the IS is slow — far from it actually, as the IS's accelerative surge will tear your head off — but it just doesn't encourage the at-the-limit driving that we think should be a part of every true sport sedan's abilities. If this doesn't matter to you, then you should consider it more highly. At $47,815, the Lexus IS 350 is the most expensive car in the test and, for the most part, it backs up that cost with a long list of features and luxury amenities. Keyless start and shift paddles that turn with the wheel are standard equipment. Our test car was optioned with $11,145 in equipment, including park assist, Lexus' pre-collision system and radar cruise control, the sport package and the $3,990 navigation system and premium audio package. The IS's driving position as well as its front and rear seat comfort are lacking relative to others in the test. It offers 88.3 cubic feet of passenger volume, but rear seat legroom is only 30.6 inches, while headroom is 36.7 inches. Its navigation and audio system interface and secondary controls are also less intuitive to use than its competitors. It received high marks for build quality, scoring 2nd to the Mercedes. In only three model years, the Lexus has become the old man of the sport sedan class. Partly, this is due to the rapid advances of its competition — both the Cadillac's and the Benz's navigation and audio systems are more refined (and cost less) — and to its balance of luxury and sport, which keeps it from connecting with the driver as powerfully as its competition does. Put simply, the Lexus is a fast, well-built sedan that lacks the spirit or value of its more engaging counterparts. 3rd Place: 2008 Cadillac CTS The 2008 Cadillac CTS might just be the best car in the GM stable. In fact, remove the insane Z06 Corvette from the equation and nothing else from the General comes so close to hitting its design target. It's good. But the question remains: How well will the Caddy fare on the world stage? Well. Very well. Three-point-six liters of direct-injected V6 motivate the CTS's 3,990 pounds. It's the heaviest, longest, widest and tallest car in the test, which is both good and bad. When it comes to outright interior space, only the Infiniti comes close. There are 98.0 cubic feet of interior passenger volume, and rear-seat legroom is 35.9 inches while rear headroom is 37.2 inches. But with about the same power as the others, the extra pork makes it slower. The benchmark 60 mph comes up in 6.3 seconds and the quarter-mile crawls past in 14.8 seconds at 95 mph. But when it comes to turning and stopping, the big Caddy has almost as much hustle as its smaller, lighter competition. It recorded the shortest 60-0 stopping distance of the group at 109 feet and tied the Infiniti for the highest lateral grip at 0.89g. It was the only car that didn't exceed 68 mph in the slalom, but its 67.2-mph pass makes it no slouch. Inside, the CTS is the best-appointed car in the test. Not only have its interior quality and materials leapt ahead of the C-Class and G35, but its design is as striking as it is functional. From the leather-swathed details to the brilliantly capable and easy-to-use navigation and audio system, this is simply a nice car to be inside. And it drives well, too. Our test car, equipped with the FE-3 Performance Package, not only makes the numbers but also proves genuinely engaging to drive. Drop a few gears before bending the CTS into a turn and it matches revs for every downshift. And when the turn arrives, there's a combination of grip and balance that moves the CTS well beyond the Lexus and Benz on the fun-to-drive meter. It's this combination of on-the-road poise, interior spaciousness and world-class entertainment and navigation options that earn this car 3rd place. At $44,715, its cost — like its finishing position — is right in the middle of the group. 2nd Place: 2007 BMW 335i Known for its unrivaled ability to mix sports car performance with luxury car comfort, BMW's 335i presents the best overall compromise of speed and comfort in the sport sedan segment. But it comes at a price. At $38,900 the 335i has the highest base price in this test. Add in the Premium Package, Sport Package, automatic transmission and several other options and our test car gets a price tag of $46,650, second only to the ludicrously optioned Lexus. Traditionally, the 335i's acceleration is staggering, and while this car's 5.0-second run to 60 mph isn't as quick as we've recorded in past tests, it's still 0.3 second quicker than the Lexus. Its advantage diminishes to only 0.2 second by the end of the quarter-mile, which comes in 13.6 seconds at 103 mph. It also pulls 0.86g around the skid pad, slaloms at 68.9 mph and stops from 60 mph in 112 feet. Combined, this is the best overall dynamic performance in the test. Under the Bimmer's hood lies the reason for all the go-fast. The 3.0-liter twin-turbocharged inline-6 is rated at 300 hp and 300 lb-ft of torque, and it has the most flexible engine performance here. Once it's coupled to the remarkably tractable six-speed automatic transmission, which is as at home on the racetrack as it is on Rodeo Drive, this powertrain becomes the one to beat. The 335i also brings home the most recommended ratings, which means we would suggest it to a friend over any other car in the test. It even won our lengthy 31-point evaluation, which appraises everything from control feel to cupholder design. It's moderately spacious at 93.0 cubic feet of passenger volume, and there are 34.6 inches of rear-seat legroom and 37.5 inches of rear headroom. Still, there are some obvious oversights. As the quickest-accelerating car in the group, the 335i stands to benefit the most from a mechanical limited-slip differential — a feature it notably lacks despite the car's high cost. And for this kind of money, it should have a navigation system. But once you check that box on the order sheet, the price of the BMW rises perilously close to the $50,000 mark. But behind the wheel, the 335i is the most intuitive and easy-to-drive car here — not to mention the fastest. It's also the most comfortable. And that's a tough combination to beat. 1st Place: 2007 Infiniti G35 Sport Put simply, the 2007 Infiniti G35 wins this test because it's outstanding to drive and it gives you the most car for your money. Its $36,800 as-tested price is the lowest in the test. But the real value is what it gives you, because the G35 has the most standard features of any car here and combines this accomplishment with all-around performance second only to the 335i. All G35 Sport models come standard with shift paddles, a limited-slip differential and keyless start. And for an additional $2,650 our test car featured XM Satellite Radio and the Premium Package, which includes niceties like a power sunroof, a Bose premium audio system and memory settings for the driver seat, steering wheel and side mirrors, plus a mountain of other goodies. This is the most spacious car in this test with 99.0 cubic feet of passenger volume, rear-seat legroom measures 34.7 inches and rear-seat headroom is 37.7 inches. The G35's power plant is the same 3.5-liter V6 used in virtually every other Nissan and Infiniti product, but it feels most at home here, under the hood of this stellar sedan. In G35 trim, the VQ35 cranks out 306 hp and 268 lb-ft of torque through the best automatic transmission in the class. The G's five-speed tranny not only responds quickest to the throttle, but also has the sharpest, most aggressive gearchanges (with rev-matched downshifts) of any automatic we've ever driven. And it feels as comfortable while blasting between gears with hard-hitting precision at full throttle as it does swapping cogs with a simple switch and slide in commuter traffic. The G35 is the most stiffly sprung and heavily damped car here. As a result, its ride is busy and its responses walk a fine line between quick and simply nervous. But driven with a purpose, the Infiniti is the most capable car in this test when it comes to handling. Our track numbers confirm this with a best-in-test performance on the skid pad with a 0.89g mark and in the slalom with a 69.4-mph mark. And when it comes to getting down the road, the G35 is right in the mix. The 60-mph mark disappears in 5.5 seconds and the quarter-mile is gone in 13.9 seconds at 102 mph. It scrubs off 60 mph in just 111 feet, second only to the CTS with its sticky Michelin tires. If there is a soft spot in the G's armor, it's inside the cabin, where the design and materials aren't always as elegant as other examples in the segment. Our test car was a high-mileage unit and it showed wear on the shift knob and kick panels. Overall, however, these are small nits to pick for a car that delivers in every other area for thousands of dollars less. The Verdict With few exceptions, the performance of these five sport sedans is covered by mere tenths of a second or a few miles per hour. The BMW's acceleration, as usual, is striking, while the Cadillac lags behind considerably. Handling numbers, however, are a virtual wash among all the contenders. This leaves the decision-making to more subjective means and personal taste, which is ultimately what most buyers rely upon in any case. The fact is, all five of these sedans are excellent cars. And it's not hard to find reasons to buy any of them. We simply find the Infiniti's combination of engaging driving character, high feature content and low cost to be the most appealing. Plus, all great performances must come to an end sometime. Just ask The Iceman. The manufacturers provided Edmunds these vehicles for the purposes of evaluation.
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  15. I was wondering if the 2.0 DI T will be on par with the 2.4 ecotec for fuel efficiency. I don't see a reason why not, since, the DI T in the Kappas is actually better than the 2.4l for fuel economy on the highway, and almost par in city driving. It would be nice to have a 22-34 mpg rating, which will make this car a worthy vehicle to own.
  16. What were those website designers on when they were typing the data?
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  18. How many of those do you think will sell there or in other RHD markets? Irrespective of how good a US car manufacturer gets, Barkson will always find fault at them and bitch about it.
  19. Here is another one And her Commentary
  20. The Gorgeous Kate Walsh in the Gorgeous CTS what a combo.
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  22. Oops I forgot the V8 juice part.
  23. I was browsing on Chevy website, and it said that the 2008 cobalts have following curb weights: Coupe: 2681 Sedan: 2747 The 2007 cobalts show the curb weights as Coupe: 2991 Sedan: 3216. (Source edmunds and carsdirect) That is a huge weight loss especially for the sedan. Wonder numbers are correct. If I am not wrong, the 2007 Cobalt specs on Chevy website were Coupe: 2850 Sedan: 2980 Wonder what is Chevy doing.
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    Chevy Lumina SS

    Is this car in United States? Seems like it since HHR is only sold here to my knowledge. If yes, what is its importance? Just a G8 GXP mule, or an Impala RWD mule?
  25. The Ubiquitous Marmon cars had the production V16. Although it started researching the V16 before the Caddy, it made into production after the Wreath badge. Probably the 1960's BMW 2000CS. Dunno about the Durango The Shaguar had Turbo 3.5LV6 producing 549 hp, instead of the concept that came with a 5.0L V-12 producing 500hp. The Ferrari F40 had a 2.9L Twin Turbo making 478hp. No Answer for the Nissan No answer for the Wankel. I do not think there was a 427 in Impala 62 SS. The biggest block offered was a 409. 427 made its appearance in 1963 as a modified 409, but was discontinued for three years, and hence is sometime called the mystery motor.
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