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Syclone and Typhoon were short-lived niche models....but for most models for most of the last 40+ years, GMCs were just Chevy rebadges...the V6s were so long ago that very few people remember or care. Anyway, it's a moot point..they inexplicably still sell well and are profitable. For a long time, GMC has been used to debut new truck tech and features, thus we got the SyTy and the first Sierra Denali and so forth. Ramping that up to yeild greater differentiation between current Chevy and GMC trucks is certainly the way to go. Inexplicable or not, the reality of GMC sales and profitability is a worthy foundation to build upon.

You said it all, Samadei.

Not entirely true. Syclone Typhoon The big V6 GMC engines of the past...

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I've been lambasted for this before, but I'll say it again anyway. The Escalade's days are numbered - it won't exist as a BOF SUV for very many more years. That gravy train has been nice for GM, but they had better get moving on a replacement.

T. and P. were never my thing, but if the spirit moves you, go for it. Just make sure about your language research first.

The owner should be charged with crimes against the automobile.

This is why GM should dust off the Hummer Hx Concept, rebody it for GMC, and put it into production ASAP. I agree with both of these ideas, as it gets unique product into the Buick-GMC showrooms. One thought about Hummer and its existence... I wonder if without Hummer becoming the poster child of gas guzzlers if the public would have focused on GMC? Hummer may have dove in front of the bullet there for GMC. Add me to the list advocating this approach with great enthusiasm. It's the right thing to do with GMC. And it sure beats slapping a GMC badge on what would be an El Camino in all but name. What all of GM needs most is a dose of creativity.

Did you see a picture? I hope it wasn't something like this: No picture, but I suspect that it looked quite alot like that.

Still impossible. Enormous cost for no gain. It would reek of failure and decline driving even more consumers away. And there is simply no reason to do it.

And BTW, a six speed manual is still a required option.

If GM, in its limitless wonkiness, decrees that it must come here as a GMC - then I guess I'll buy a GMC. But something will always be missing. Like logic at GM marketing offices.

Even better info. and pics here (including a chrome Camaro): http://www.redlinespoilers.com/clubcars.html

Some decent images here: http://www.grantoros.com/grantoros/redlines3.html

Yeah, I'm that old....

Amen to that. I'd hate to see this get used as a pawn in the attempt to strengthen a non-intuitive brand. Again.

Look, this is pretty simple. In a perfect world, would GM having only one truck brand make sense? Maybe. Especially if the change occurred half a century or more ago. But in the here and now, it cannot be done. It would be suicidal. The simple logistics of such a move are impossible, let alone the rest of the impact.

If a brand can't stand on it's own (own dealer network) then it is too weak to survive. I mean Lincoln and Acura dealers survive on their own. Buick and Cadillac could become one dealership, but really, if they can't make it alone, then they are too weak. Either get stronger or die. This is just foolishness. Brands are paired because that works.

Ford and Mercury co-existed for decades, and Chrysler and Plymouth co-existed for decades as well. Olds and Pontiac co-existed with Chevy and Buick for decades. Yet none of those worked out. I never thought GMC needed to stay past bankruptcy, but if they stick around (which I think they will) at least make every GMC a Denali, so they are more exclusive or different from Chevy. Apples and oranges. GMC and Chevy co-exist successfully.

If GMC dies, Buick dies. Think about it.

I only care about one reason... Every single automaker who had not more than 2 or 3 brands were successful and profitable. Every single one that added brands and badges with considerable overlap would up as a disaster. GMC has to stay. - It is ,and has been, profitable. - Buick can't do the stand-alone thing. - One of the keys to the profitability of GMC is the volume that Chevy does with the same platforms. - Chevy trucks and GMC trucks have co-existed for how many decades now? It works, so messing with it would be foolish. This new plan to give more exclusivity to GMC versus Chevy is all the push that an already succesful brand really needs. There is no reason whatsoever for drastic steps at this point. Save that for Buick - it still needs a ton of attention if it is to survive here in the US. As for making GMC the only GM truck channel - that's simply impossible. Forget that the volume has always lived at Chevy, the bigger problem is the dealer networks. Even if you could magically move all Chevy truck buyers to GMC, there aren't enough GMC dealers to handle the volume! I know it looks like a simple thing to only sell one truck brand, and maybe it was back when GM was a new corporation, but today it simply makes no sense.

How many units did GMC sell outside of the USA? There is more to the car market than the USA. GMC builds Chevrolet clones, the same as Mercury made Ford clones with a fancy grille and chrome strip on the trunk. GMC is overlap. GMC should be all Denali models only, or all work trucks only, or just go away. General Motors would be more profitable without GMC because all those sales could go to Chevy and the GMC marketing and operations goes away, and people putting the Chevy and GMC dealers against each other to get the lowest price goes away. Chevy's biggest competitor, is GMC, why make a competitor for you most important brand. The Silverado and Sierra for example both have a base MSRP of $21,235. Priced to the exact dollar. What part of "GMC is profitable" don't you understand?

There are millions of good reasons why those ideas don't work, and each one of those reasons is a dollar.

It must be a disease at GM, they always pick the worst possible images.