Camino LS6

Maybe. But GM would still have the powerhouse of Chevrolet and much greater resources behind it. Pontiac,Saturn, Saab, would have the tougher road to travel by far.

There is so little strength in Saab, that it may hurt more than help. I think that a pairing with Saturn would have a better chance, and if Saab came along for the ride it might be ok. Just seeing a workable plan would do my heart good.

Truthfully, I'd have mixed feelings about that. The devil would be in the details and what the focus of the new company and of GM might be after the dust settles. A cooperative arrangement is an interesting possibility. Sort of like splitting the Roman Empire into east and west.

Back to Pontiac (anyone mind?) An idea was broached on another board that a grouping of Pontiac with Saturn (and maybe Saab and/or Hummer) begins to give the idea af a new, independent company a better shot.

I wouldn't want to be responsible for trying to market "Wildcard".

It was a hand built set of six race cars (but an undying legend among Corvette fans). Agreed on "Super" Perhaps on Insignia ( I dislike the car intensely), but Opel is a wildcard there.

OK fine. We'll talk about Buick. Grand Sport was Corvette's first. (note the 'd') "Super" is Buick exclusively at GM. The car you describe here is far more in line with what Buick is now, Zeta doesn't belong.

And there, I strongly disagree.

Case in point...

Which of course was my point. Did anyone really believe that I was advocating floaty boats for Buick? A new GN, however, is another thing entirely - and the sort of thing I was calling a mistake. I had hoped that a decent exploration of how an independent (or quasi-independent) Pontiac might be salvaged from the ashes would be what this thread was all about. That wasn't to be. Somehow Buick always ends up popping up in Pontiac threads. Too bad.

Just lock it, DF. This thread will never be what it should have been anyway.

Too late.

So be it.

Why does yours? And why, even come into this thread, which should be full of "what if" dreams for those that actually care about Pontiac - not cawing , naysaying vultures like yourself.

Just hanging around waiting to be de-admined. And free from the likes of you actually. You and Satty can then enjoy pissing on Pontiac uninterrupted.

Whatever. Good luck making that work.

And 10 years from now only a few diehards will lament the end of GM, right? BS

Bite me, Croc. That's just stupid. The last thing Buick needs now is any performance oriented model. The fusion of performance and luxury needs to be the exclusive domain of Cadillac. Only Chevy is positioned to handle lower cost performance. It would hurt Buick to dilute its mission to include performance oriented models. Overlap is the enemy, remember?

Which they are stupid enough not to do...

GM's stated reason for killing Pontiac was that they didn't have the resources to pormote/market it. And a $1 billion yearly loss for Holden And the loss of the economies of scale on certain platforms There would be pluses and minuses to the idea. But I know you'd much rather just witness a crash with its attendant carnage.

And I'm saying that it is. So we disagree. No big deal.

You could be right. ...or not.

Wrong. It is a deal proposed to GM - by definition this is "GM news".

In the Pontiac template? I think not.

Set it up as a contract build with GM. God knows good marketing hasn't been tried on Pontiac since the 70s. So, a marketing concern takes over that aspect and GM gets to keep some volume builds. After that, it would get stickier. But I sure would like to see someone shed the surrender mentality and give it a good shot. Some jobs could be saved which would please the administration... Anyway, I'd hope that the idea be explored thoroughly before being dismissed. Someone needs to try and get something going in our domestic industry. Do I think it has much chance? No. But it would be a nice surprise and I'm glad that someone is looking at it. There is a giant hole opening in our automotive market, and I'd like to see some American players step up before the recovery cements a foreign victory.