Camino LS6

Higher.

It would not have to be restricted to V8s and zeta. Imagine high-compression v6s and 4s that make big power used the same way...

Here are some side benefits: - garbage can be used to make ethanol (think of the landfill space saved) - it will spur domestic industry and create jobs - by -products of the process are also useful and marketable - widespread acceptance will lower the price of oil itself And that's just a start.

V8s are going to be low volume in cars whether or not you plan it that way. As for distirbution of ethanol that's not hard to handle. The trucks that deliver it can run on ethanol itself and it will be made more locally than gasoline, because feedstock to produce it is literally everywhere. The same plants will likely be able to use similar processes to produce other biofuels such as hydrogen going forward, so an investment in ethanol infrastructure also serves the cause of these other fuels. Over 100 new ethanol plants are already in the planning stages as we speak. No giant pipelines nor huge refineries and ports and supertankers required. Think differently and it is easy to see the feasibility here. As for the cars themselves, more choices is always better than less. Why argue for making sacrifices instead of advancements? Don't forget that this will help put a dent in the obscene amount of money we send to the oil producers which is allowing them to gain influence over our premier financial institutions as we speak! We are financing our own destruction. What's the total for a year? I believe it is something like $450 billion. Why not go for the positive? In the end this isn't about the V8s themselves, but about driving this new fuel forward into regular acceptance. They are the lure to sway some opinion, and I'd love to see enthusiasts in the vanguard of the switch to alternative fuels, wouldn't you?

Nothing wrong with that either. That's the beauty of this idea, we wouldn't have to give anything up - except the oil we wouldn't use.

Wrong for the car, especially at the top of the model range. With an established ethanol infrastructure, there would be no need for such compromise. In fact, I wouldn't mind seeing all high-performance cars eventually migrate to ethanol. It is a market segment that could be supplied very well without needing to resort to gasoline. The same idea could work for trucks and large SUVs once the infrastructure expanded enough. Change the fuel, not the cars.

Ethanol has more potential than anything else to have an immediate and measureable effect. And, the govt. has just mandated a massive expansion of its production. There are over 1400 stations already selling E-85, a number which is expected to double within a year. Also, GM alone has already put 2.5 million E-85 capable cars on the road, and Ford has been building its FFvs for how long now? Corn ethanol is certainly a stopgap, but cellulosic ethanol need not be.

Easy. The GP was mostly fleet anyway, and the Impala can take up that slack. The G8 will be almost entirely retail.

Instead of cancelling all of these zeta cars, what if GM petitioned for a special CAFE exemption in exchange for building them all as E-100 Ethanol only? The cars could be optimised with high compression engines and sold at a healthy premium. Not only would they be clean and powerful, and running on domestic fuel, but they could be ambassadors for the expansion of Ethanol's popularity. The demand and buzz would help to drive the infrastructure for E-85 and ethanol in general forward at an increased pace. The cars would then be able to be offered in E-85 form as soon as certain levels of E-85 availability are reached. The other OEMs could do the same. These cars could be the carrot, and the Smarts and Aveos the stick. And the market could drive the change instead of the government.

YES!

Rest assured, people will remember. And if we get our act together and get off of oil, we may yet get these cars back.

Nah, it'll be Torana.

A V8 is required for any Alpha Camaro to have credibility.

The Pontiac site sucks and always has. It was the same way when GTO was coming out - they didn't even update with the info in official GM press releases. It seems no one inside GM gives a crap about Pontiac.

Whipper snapper!

It will be a crewcab, likely be AWD and sit higher, have fender flares and rocker cladding etc. And I expect it to have an interesting name. :AH-HA_wink:

Just a hunch, but I think if you watch for a Holden concept debut at the Melbourne show, you may see the dimensions of the next Camaro.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=124400

My pleasure.

Completely foul. I think this trend was named after a spelling error, it was supposed to be D-O-R-K not D-O-N-K.

Actually an Alpha Chevy would be a natural to wear the Nova badge. The other two names need to remain dead.

The Toro, like every wrong-wheel-drive I've had, wasn't a purchase (I took it as a part trade). The " Tore-Ass" ( which is exactly what I always called it) was my Mom's. It hung around for a very long time, and was garage kept. It was an '88 and purchased new, and had very low miles when traded for a new Jeep Liberty in 2003ish. Everything worked and it was very,very clean - but worth absolutely nothing. The pic is from about 1992

Sums it up nicely. It always makes me wonder what could have been if the regulations hadn't castrated these cars.

You really are trying to kill GM! :AH-HA_wink:

First thing I thought of.