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"Pitched battle" describes the situation perfectly, and I expect it to remain such for the forseeable future. Neither combatant will have a firm hold on the number 1 spot for years to come. The "analists" don't get it. Also, let's not forget a few aspects of this battle. GM is on a major rise everywhere else in the world, and new competitors are nipping at Toyota's heels causing them to fight on two fronts. There won't be a conclusive winner here for quite some time.

Ignoring the TTAC BS and getting back to the original article, it is obvious to me that GM is well on its way to creating both market share and profit around the globe. While not nearly enough to offset the situation in North America, this strategy bodes well for the long-term survival of GM. They are well positioned in so many markets to take advantage of nearly automatic expansion and are agressively pursuing business in those countries. This buys some time to get GMNA's house back in order which seems to be happening as well. Witness all of the recent introductions which are doing well in the market, earning accolades from traditionally hostile press outlets, and earning a slew of awards. GM will be just fine, but they need to push the speed of recovery quite a bit more than they have.

I'm not alone!

About what? That "article" has no substance, it just a litany of anti-GM invective and cheap and inaccurate potshots thrown by a bitter idiot who can't stand the fact that GM hasn't died yet. TTAC has no credibility whatsoever, no basis for the assumptions it makes, and nothing approaching the skills required to make a critical assesment. Anyone with a touch of writing talent and a minimum of research could write a far more accurate criticism of GM that would stand up to scrutiny. GM certainly still has enough real issues to criticize that this sort of blather is unacceptable and unnecessary. Many right here on this site, who love GM, could write a better indictment of GM's activities and their failings than this agenda promoting fool.

Truth be told, the NFL shouldn't give a rat's ass. These guys play football, quit trying to turn them into role models - it makes me sick. With that said, If they find him guilty, I hope it completely ruins him. Treating dogs that way is obscene.

What a prize for the "more money than brains" crowd, and it's ugly to boot! Painfully stupid.

Time to be the lone voice in the wilderness again: I think that the 4-door looks goofy. Yuck!

Toyota had better keep an eye on the rearview: Hyundai is after them.

TTAC doesn't even qualify as media - it's just some ill-informed yahoo with a website who's dissappointed that his predictions that GM would go bankrupt haven't materialised. Worse than useless.

In fact, TTAC should never get exposure here or anywhere else. Absolute garbage.

Lousy bunch of drivel by an incredibly biased jackass. Truly irresponsible writing.

Hopefully, it won't be relevant. Alternative fuels, along with other technologies may make this argument moot. The knuckleheads in D.C. are too backward to see that pushing these technologies is a more logical and beneficial approach.

BV, find a boneyard or ebay distributer. Even if it only works for a while you can buy yourself some time. I'd look into used tires as well, you can often find a set with a few thousand , inspectable, miles left for next to nothing if you look. Do spend the money on the suspension part, as that's not anything to ignore. Then drive it to as many interviews as it takes to get a job, "Milly" will be asking for her allowance again soon enough.

I understand your point,Ven. However, the parent company has issues and so I see Infiniti as less protected than Acura. Also Infiniti has some really awful SUVs. With that said, I almost like the new Coupes and have always prefered Infiniti's approach to that of Lexus and Acura. I guess I just see the brand at greater risk.

US market, wiseguy.

So here's my final list of those that should go now: 1. Mercury 2. Isuzu 3. Kia 4. Mitsubishi 5. Suzuki 6. Maybach 7. Maserati 8. Lotus Those that likely should go: 1. VW 2. Infiniti - the weakest of the Japanese luxury makes 3. Jaguar - very weak sales and an ailing parent 4. Land Rover- see above Thanks everyone for helping me formulate this list, now I have a question. Can anyone tell me how many total sales the above brands represent in total?

The Europeans: 1. Maybach: exit the market 2. Jaguar: Can't survive without the US market - needs a new owner. 3. Land Rover: go with Jag or die alone. 4. Maserati: exit the market, can't compete here now that it's split from Ferrari 5. Saab: see GM list 6. Volvo: see Ford list 7. VW: one more remake, then give up and exit the market if it fails 8. Audi: cozy up to Porsche or exit the market 9. Lotus: exit the market

Agreed. All the more reason to sell them at Saturn stores.

The Asian Makes: 1. Mitsubishi: exit the market 2. Suzuki: exit the market 3. Isuzu: exit the retail market 4. Kia: exit the market 5. Scion: should exit the market but Toyota will prop it up forever if necessary. 6. Infiniti: Nissan thinks they have a good shot with this brand, and if things go wrong they will prop it up for quite a while. 7. Acura: Doing too well to leave anytime soon and Honda will prop it up forever if need be.

OK, Ford. 1. Kill Mercury 2. Sell Jaguar/Land Rover as a unit. These might survive under other ownership 3 Group Lincoln with Volvo and give Lincoln a Major overhaul. 4.Grab as much of Mazda as possible.

I think I'll take this in corporate chunks with GM first: 1. We all know that GM doesn't want to kill any brands. 2. I think BPG will eventually work out just fine. 3. Hummer and Saab are loose ends. 4. Isuzu (50% GM, right?) is pointless as a retail brand. 5. Saturn is on the rise, so what about a Saturn, Saab, Hummer grouping? 6. Kill Isuzu as a brand for anything but medium-duty trucks Now to think about Ford for a while, their corporate situation is tougher to science out.

Those names are all on my list as well. Thanks for the post!

Thanks for the post, Ven! How could I have left Maybach off of the list?!! I mostly agree with you on the imports, but I see the domestics a bit differently. I would place Mercury at the top of the list. I simply see no further purpose for that brand. Buick and Pontiac, along with GMC, will be just fine as a grouping as long as GM can get the product rolling soon. I really do believe in the BPG concept. Dodge and Chrysler will live or die together as one isn't worth much without the other. Jeep will survive no matter what. The jury is about as out as it can be for all of Chrysler Corp. right now as it is too soon to say how the turnaround is going.

I think this group needs a hard look: Lincoln Mercury Land Rover Volvo Jaguar These are the "no-brainers": Mitsubishi Suzuki Kia Isuzu (except medium duty trucks) On the cusp: Volvo Saab Mercury Scion VW Land Rover Maserati Pontiac (trying to be objective here, I don't think this would be wise) EDIT: Can't really list Pontiac without listing Buick in this category. If Doomsday were upon us, I could see making Buick China -only and having Pontiac do Luxury as well as Performance - it wouldn't be too much of a stretch as they have done that before. No flames please, I don't think this is necessary.

Trying to be objective here, so this is a list of possibles. Mitsubishi Kia VW Saab Lincoln Mercury Scion Isuzu Pontiac Buick Hummer Land Rover Suzuki Volvo Subaru Maserati Infiniti