Drew Dowdell

Bush doubled the country's debt on sunday....... in a single day the debt jumped 5 trillion.

If you're a Liberatarian, your SOL in this country. There are too many busy body PTA moms for that to happen.

I LOVE IT!

Yes... warped views. When you're posting lies and/or misinformation about the other candidate, it's a warped view. You persist on saying that Obama is going to raise your taxes.... well, that Lincoln Mercury dealer must be paying you VERY well for you to be making over $250,000 a year from them..... because that is the ONLY way your taxes are going up OCN.

The come back at me with why you think my economics is wrong but be prepared to back it up. Post something even vaguely factual about Obama's tax policy. Post something vaguely factual about Obama's energy policy. But stop spreading misinformation! I don't like John McCain but at least I'm not making $h! up about him.

Disagreeing about which policy is correct is one thing. There are people here who don't even believe things published by their own candidate if it doesn't fit their warped views.

George Bush already raised your taxes... probably more than any President ever has.... you just won't get the bill for a few more years.... oh yea,,, and there is a hefty interest charge too....

No, the horse is the Rockefellers, the Bloombergs, the Fords, the Goulds......

Because I've changed my mind about C&G having a political thread. I thought that my friends and neighbors here could handle this in a mature fashion . Congratulations OCN, you and a few others have proven me wrong.

You were right about something way back at the beginning of this thread. This was a terrible idea. For pages and pages I've tried to have reasonable debate with people. I've presented facts, with links, for the things the candidate I support is in favor of. I've posted links about the things McCain supports that I do not. The immaturity of the people that I have been friends with on this board for years STAGGERS me! I'm fine with disagreeing about which political theories are better but all that comes back is "Obama is a dirty stinking muslim who wants to tax you into poverty and abort all your babies!" You're so concerned about my credibility?!? You've yet to post any FACTS. NONE of the people who have been opposing my arguments has demonstrated even the most basic understanding of economics or tax policy. EVEN IF I'M WRONG NO ONE HERE COULD SAY WHY! OCN you don't even understand the "horse$h!" reference because you have no idea what Horse and Sparrow theory is! Tend to your own credibility backyard, mine is rather lush with FACTS already.

Read up on Horse and Sparrow theory and you'll understand why I said it that way.

The side mirrors make up for it. The thing that really "made" the Avi was it's ability to haul a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood fully protected from the weather but also allow you to carry 4 passengers with great comfort. Not at the same time.... but the ability to do either/or in a package smaller than a normal quad-cab pickup with an 8 foot bed.

Every review I've read of the Avi was that it road and drove like a much smaller vehicle. After my two years of ownership with it, I'd have to agree. It was far less cumbersome than the Roadmaster. Unfortunately, has never been available with a diesel, but I hope that'll change when the new V8 diesel comes out. I still maintain that the Avi is the most versatile vehicle on the planet.

Oil tanked to $102.35 today. We'll likely see it dip below $100 this month. RBOB Gasoline is down to $2.65 a gallon. Add about 45 cents to the RBOB price to get the approximate pump price.

The Avi is surprisingly easy to park. I could maneuver it better than some smaller FWD cars.

Yes I realize that. The people that fall into that bracket are usually the elderly who have a small stock portfolio from decades ago or who are selling their house.

Uh, I have data and history on my side regarding economics. If you're trying to maintain that Horse and Sparrow works.... show it. The only time that a tax cut on the wealthy worked was when JFK lowered the tax rate from it's absurd high of 91% for the wealthiest folk. The boom after Reagan was from the deregulation of the credit market NOT the Reagan tax cuts. Proof? Marginal income stayed the same. There was no boom after Bush's tax cuts as the unemployment figures and payroll figures show... the country has been kept afloat by manicly crazy credit policy and the fed printing presses running at full. If I'm wrong, give me an argument as to why. doesn't cut it.

You can keep posting that and you'll just keep being wrong. Repeating it over and over won't make it true. It doesn't work for SMK and it won't work for you. I came from NOTHING and built my own business. My dad came from NOTHING and built his own business. My grandfather came from NOTHING and built his own business. None of us got anything other than advice from our respective elders. The company I used to work for was owned by a wealthy family. When the Bush tax cuts came out we got NOTHING. No raises, no bonuses, no nothing. They bought a new machine from a defunct competitor <the machine was purchased from the bank>, they fired most of the workers who used to work in the area where the new machine was being located and moved more production to El Salvador. The proof is in the pudding, unemployment is UP since the Bush tax cuts. Businesses are closing or laying off workers. Companies are trying to sell their products to people who can no longer afford to purchase them and then scratching their heads as to why the economy is so bad. Horse and Sparrow theory, Trickle Down theory, Supply Side economics whatever you want to call it, have 90 years of FAIL! Do NOT PASS GO! DO NOT COLLECT $200!

Ok, I'm going to violate my own rule. What the hell kind of stupid comment is that?

We're in a form of Fascist Capitalism right now.

You're playing with semantics. But yes, progressive taxation makes the burden even out... but that's just making it fair. Most people on here seem to be more concerned with using tax policy to manipulate the prosperity of the economy. Horse and Sparrow theorists have been consistently proven wrong in all except the most extreme of high tax cases. Read my sig. If you want economic prosperity for the whole country and you're going to adjust taxes to do it, you cut taxes hard at the middle and lower classes. Those are the areas most likely to increase spending. Whenever taxes have been cut for the wealthy, all that's happened is the wealth of this country has been concentrated higher and higher and the rest just get to eat cake. For me, a heavy tax cut for everyone under $200,000 yearly income. Capital gains get taxed at the same rate unless the income comes from a homestead sale or retirement fund. Ending of tax breaks for sending jobs overseas. A "per-country" tariff to equalize costs of labor.

it's already got the shovel on the front though....

oh ya, and first thing that comes to mind with that "name"

Start? Monte Carlo Malibu Corsica Bel Air Biscayne

Depends on if Ace Hardware has any more shovels in stock.