Drew Dowdell

That is not the issue here. The issue is the spin. As already pointed out in this thread: and v. and Enzl.... that's called spin. Spin Toyota up and Spin GM down. I'm perfectly willing to admit that Toyota's big SUV is every bit as good as the reviewers say it is. It's the spin that I hate. THAT is where the bias is. Bias is talking about the Cimmaron or 8-6-4 in a 2007 DTS review. Bias is bringing up the Citation in a Malibu review..... even the previous generation Malibu which wasn't amazing but still didn't deserve to be compaired to a Citation. When do you ever hear about '83 Corolla rust traps in Toyota reviews? Bias is talking about Toyota's green cred while blasting GM for big SUVs..... forgetting to mention that GM's SUVs are usually more efficient. *this one is starting to go away*

just for fun: 1997 Chevrolet Malibu 1995 Chrysler Cirrus 1991 Chevrolet Caprice Classic LTZ 1983 AMC / Renault Alliance 1981 Chrysler K Cars, Dodge Aries / Plymouth Reliant 1980 Chevrolet Citation 1978 Chrysler, Dodge Omni / Plymouth Horizon 1976 Chrysler, Dodge Aspen / Plymouth Volare 1975 Chevrolet Monza 2+2

This isn't a Lincoln flagship, but neither is the MKR. A Lincoln flagship needs to be big, needs to be RWD, and needs to have a V8 or twinforce standard.

I've reserved a cars as I've walked up to it.

Considering that this was a 2002 concept and the 300c came out as a 2005 in early 2004.... Lincoln could have beaten Chrysler to the punch because they already had the platform ready to go.

You know why I don't like this car? One reason: We could have had that. That would get me to jump ship from GM. That would get Chrysler 300C owners to jump ship. That could likely even get non-snob E-class and GS owners to jump ship. Even if it didn't have all the cool concept stuff and suicide doors or weird trunk. Just keep the outside shape and styling, put it on the DEW98 platform. Profit.

slamming the door on a civic or corolla also feels like a coke can....

uh... how many non LR/Jeep/Hummer/Land Cruiser SUVs would be fording 22inches of water or climbing sand dunes?

fixed

first thing you have to do is replace every rubber part the fuel touches with stainless steel. Keep in mind that you'll essentially be running 100 octane and the timing issues that will cause.

OMG! IT will NEVAR outhandLE teh 3-series! Lincoln is teh suxors! OF course it competes with Teh 3-series since teh prise is teh same

Wouldn't that just be the previous generation CTS-V powertrain?

It even has pontiac version headlights built right in.

*sigh* I hate you Audi for starting this gaping mouth trend in grills.

I would, but there isn't much of a jump from top end CTS to bottom end CTS-V. The V8 would need to overlap each vehicle at least a little bit. I have my doubts a Northstar would fit.

Why would you? Next step up from the V6 is the CTS-V... and this time it will have an automatic available.

Acura TL front + split waterfall grill + Amanti tail lights

MB and BMW don't have anything lower to share with..... I know... Mini could come out with the MiniCooper-L based on the 7-Series chassis. and two questions, how is the CTS making Cadillac an entry level brand but the 1-series, C-Class and the former C-class coupe, the proposed B-class NOT making MB and BMW into entry lux?

yes... 25% of us can get testicles better than the rest.... get the joke and move on.

Link to Article and Pics at Autoblog For the past two decades, the only thing consistent about Ford's Lincoln division has been its inconsistency. To put it lightly, the brand has struggled to find it's place in the automotive landscape. The vehicles from Ford's premium domestic division haven't had a coherent look since the early '80s. Several of its models, such as the LS and the Navigator, have sold well at times, but the absence of a Lincoln DNA hasn't helped. In 2006, North American Design chief Peter Horbury set about changing all that. He gave his team the task of examining past Lincolns to determine what set them apart. The first new model intended to set Lincoln on it's path to rebirth is the 2009 MKS, which is making its debut in production form at the LA Auto Show later today. The MKS first appeared as a concept at the 2006 Detroit Auto Show. It's based on the same platform as the Ford 500/Taurus, which originated at Volvo under the S80/XC90. When the concept first appeared it was reasonably well received as a pleasant if not daring design for the marque. Subsequently, Horbury's team began its quest for the soul of Lincoln and came up with a list of seven elements that would be part of future Lincoln designs. Most of these appeared on the 2007 MKR concept that we saw in Detroit. While most of the MKS was already locked in for production, after the show Ford management made the decision to adopt one of most prominent elements from the new MKR concept, its grille.

See, I'm promoting it from a car enthusiasts point of view. You don't live in an area that is suitable for car sharing, however I do. Car sharing will allow me to buy an old car while not having the worry of being stranded if the car is stuck in the driveway and not running and also no longer have the need for a "daily driver" backup car. It will also allow me to sell the Avalanche which mostly sits in my driveway since I can just pickup a Flexcar truck for the 4 times a month that I need a truck.

A3 based on Rabbit A4 based on Passat A8 based on Phaeton Q....whatever based on Tourege RX based on Higlander ES based on Camry GX based on Sequioa LX based on Land Cruiser QX56 based on Armada TL based on Accord TSX based on Euro-spec Accord RSX based on Civic MDX based on Pilot/Odyssey RDX based on CRV Who is Cadillac looking like again!?

I don't think you quite get it......

Just so you'll quit yappin about the weight, I'm going to link back to this post every time you call the CTS fat. A6 Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3858 4034 tiptronic 535 Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3703 CTS Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3872 E-Class Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3740 M35 Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3880 GS 350 Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3704 Acura RL Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 4014 300 3.5 Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3766 Lincn LS Curb Weight - Automatic (lb.) 3772

Zeta is cheaper to build and just as good?