Drew Dowdell

I changed the topic title to an actual topic so that new visitors might actually know what the topic is about. I have always reserved the right to make those types of changes for ease of navigation of the site. You're right in that the damage from this agenda driven F U.D. propaganda is done, but I'm glad I'm able to use my little corner of the web to try and set the record straight. I don't like agendas, especially when they use dodgey facts and statistics like this one does. I don't care if they're for or against a company that I'm for or against.

Except the Malibu cannot drive on electric only power for "X" number of miles like the Volt. Two different types of cars IMO. Not exactly the same, but that's my point. Someone will come in and think 'the volt is too small' and then you just qualify them, do you really need the plug in? Would a cheaper car with more room make sense to you? You can snag an electric intender who is not yet ready to pay the full price for a plug in, so chevy can downsell and get those people. They may not come in wanting a hybrid, but if you show them the plug in and back them down to the hybrid then that MSRP on the Bu Hybrid looks like a bargain, and they haven't compared it to the Fusion or Camry. Saying it has 'a good part of the same hybrid system as the volt' adds value because its not the same 'low grade hybrid' like the fusion or camry. Not everyone who comes in to look at the volt is going to decide they need the plug in. When you get the people to make the decision, then you can downsell the Malibu and they will think you are giving them more value. I would imagine that a lot who come in on a Volt also don't know about the additional cost of the faster chargers and then balk.

Every time you make your mortgage payment, it's like part of that payment is going into a long term savings bond. Every time you make a rental payment, it's like flushing money down the toilet. Just make sure you can handle the payments.

Then you need to read all of this thread to understand why that "report" is F.U.D. http://www.cheersandgears.com/topic/86111-oh-hi/

Oops, I"m wrong, the 2009 Buick Lacrosse had the 3800, but production of the engine had finished by August 2008... they just built enough of them to keep up with the final Lacrosse sales that needed them.

Actually the CT6 and XT5 names are a calamity in my book, so you'll get no argument from me there.

Nope, the Impala was 3400 and 3900 by then. The last year of the 3800 was the 2008 Lucerne... that was the last North American vehicle to carry it. Impala dropped the 3800 after 2005.

Oh I'm not saying that it isn't a luxury design, it very much is. I'm saying that it looks too much like cars that are on the road today that are badged Hyundai. There needed to be a bigger departure from the existing look, particularly in the grille. Had they debuted the Genesis brand when the current Genesis was released, I'd have no issue because it looked a lot different from the prior model. It would have been a nice clean break. The way they did it, now there is this mushy area where some cars are Hyundai brand and some cars are Genesis brand yet they have the same look... and next year the cars that were Hyundai brand will be Genesis brand with a new model name but will look identical. It's pretty confusing to customers.

Well... it kinda is. They have the "Hyundai Genesis" look on the nose, so until Genesis gets a new look, it is still going to carry a Hyundai prefix in people's minds.

I don't think a 3800 powered 2014 Regal is the only tall tale he's told.

Fairly pricey pricing, but if the equipment and MPGs hold up, it might be worth it.

Really? The average age of vehicles on American roads in the last several years has hovered around the eleven year mark. So you are saying that these things will never achieve average age? Because who is going to pay to keep these things going after 8 years, with this kind of failure rate? What a colossal waste of money. You failed at reading. You are confusing proactive warranty replacement with a failure rate. These were NOT catastrophic motor failures being reported. And in the process the owners receive a new motor of updated design with zero miles on it. Tesla is not like the legacy car companies... they make rolling changes to their designs and deploy them at any point in the model year. If you have a 2012 Model S with VIN #2, and you get this power train replacement, you end up with a motor that is updated to the same design as the latest 2015/16 motor.

There is ZERO chance that a 90 degree V6 is going to fit in the 2014 Regal. I don't care how much money you have, you're not getting a 90 degree V6 into it. The 60 degree 2.8 Turbo barely fits in the Opel Insignia. You are also correct about the year the 3800 stopped production. You can shut down the "China option" talk really quick with this link - http://www.buick.com.cn/newregal/specifications.aspx The Regal in China only comes with the 2.0T or the 1.6T. Cars with more then 2 liters of displacement have huge taxes levied on them, so much so that even the XTS has a 2.0T as it's main engine there. You also cannot bring cars into the US for sale that are not EPA certified, and since GM would not have bothered to EPA certify a 3800 powered 2014 Regal, even if such a thing existed in China, the EPA and DHS would likely want to have a conversation with him. In shorter terms: He's a troll.... shut him down.

Did any of you, especially the OP, even READ the article from Green Car Reports? The statistics come from 327 cars (1% of total) from the 2012 and 2013 model years and only 30 cars from the 2014 and 2015 model years. That's right... your Colorado starts to make a funny noise under the hood, so Chevrolet has a standard policy of REPLACING THE ENTIRE V6 ENGINE, TRANSMISSION, AND FOUR WHEEL DRIVE components. </fanstasyworld> GM has needed to replace more timing chains on the 3.6 V6 than Tesla has built cars. Stop spreading F.U.D.

Guy takes down hate preacher in the most Scottish way possible.

Opel, Ford of Europe, Renault, Peugeot, Citroen too.

Could you be underwhelmed due to them just coping the last generation S sedan from MB? It doesn't even look like that to me.... it looks like the last Equus, with a Genesis front clip and an XTS C-Pillar.

And guess who funded the rebuilding of their public transit systems.....

I'm just... underwhelmed. I don't know what I was expecting, but it was more than this.

Please get over the absurd notion Mass Transit and Cars are zero sum. I don't understand how you make the leap to "If we fund mass transportation, then we won't have freedom to move around". You clearly only have experience with American mass transit, which even the best systems (NYC? DC? Chicago? I suppose it is up for debate) absolutely SUCK by European standards. When the Uber drops me off at the airport for two weeks in Europe, that is the last time my butt touches a car seat for a full two weeks. Two trips ago, I landed in Paris, visited the city using their subway, visited Versailles and the countryside using trains, took the train to Brussels, then to Achen, Germany, then to Cologne Germany, then out to the countryside 45 minute train ride outside of Cologne, then back to Cologne where I can get ANYWHERE in the greater metro area in 30 minutes or less... and never once touched a car. I never felt that I wasn't in control of my schedule because the transit systems are robust and the next train/bus/subway arrives every 3 to 15 minutes. Most white color jobs will cover some or all of their employee's monthly transit pass cost.... even then, the cost of a monthly pass is only about $175 last I looked. My friends who live in Cologne have 4 bedroom house (we'd call it a condo, but it is HUGE by American condo standards) with a garage in the Cologne suburbs. They have never owned a car and use public transit 98% of the time. For that last 2%, DeutscheBahn has a car sharing service with cars spread all over the city and regular rental car agencies (Enterprise, Sixt) are available with a Starbucks like frequency all over the city for longer rentals. If you're a frequent rail traveler, you can buy a BahnCard 100 for $4,477. That gets you on any train, bus, or subway ANYWHERE in Germany and also good for trips outside of Germany using DeustcheBahn trains for 12 months. That means with a Bahncard 100, you can go from Cologne to Paris and back for free as many times as you want, but that also includes all of your metro travel in Cologne, which would normally cost you $2100 a year... so really you're paying $2377 a year for any rail travel in Germany outside of your home city. You can't beat that on cost with a car no matter which way you slice it. On all tickets, children under 14 travel for free when accompanied by their parents. Sometimes, when I'm there, I rent a car. Not because I have to, but because I want to since I enjoy driving. The blend of public transit and automotive there is exactly what we should be emulating.... it increases freedom of mobility, it doesn't decrease it. P.S. - Don't give me the "population density" crap argument. East of the Mississippi, the population density of the US is equal to the population density of Europe.... in the North East, it is even higher. West of the Mississippi, the population density of the metro areas are all similar to European metro areas. The only thing we lack is the willpower.... everything in the U.S. has become "too hard" or "it might inconvenience me" or "It might cost me an extra 15 cents per gallon" even though the net result is an improvement in our lives.

On many cars, that would make installing the oil filter rather cumbersome due to the mounting position of the filter. On my Honda, the filter mounts exactly horizontal... good luck keeping the oil in it while you screw it on. Personally, I think his idea is a crock. Assuming everything is working properly, the engine gets up to operating oil pressure virtually instantly after starting. Just turning the key for a few cranks would run the oil pump enough to fill the filter before the first fire.

Also, the $135k price is for the top end Model X. The regular Model X is $80,000ish. People drop that on similar sized SUVs all the time.

Yeah, the gull wings were dumb.