Sixty8panther

Redundant :AH-HA_wink:

Who even cares about this? The only purpose this car will serve will be to keep syphoning away a few sales from the Camry & Accord, any true car nut or pretty much anyone with a sensible bone in their body will be lusting after the Zeta cars. :wink: This will eb the forgoten child between the Cobalt & Impala.

Ninety Eight makes an interesting argument... I think you're right about most Olds customers being lost to non-GM divisions. In any case I have no hate for the cars Oldsmobile turned out in their last decade of existance but I do think they told their core demographic to F*** off. No bench seats, no chrome grille & classic rocket logo, no full size land barge & worst of all no brand identity. As a kid I remember thinking the new Oldsmobiles were very cool and beleived the hype about the new products but now in retrospect it was a poor business decision to try to make a Lexus/Acura fighter out of Olds. Like I said even if they had kept one big & one mid sized model in the Olds lineup with the traditional styling and a more conservative approach to the interior the shift from the 1980s to the 2000s would have not been as drastic and disconcerting for thier traditional customers. The G-body Cutlass of the late 1980s (like the one that was supposed to be my first car) will always be one of the last proud moments in Oldsmobile's history. Those cars needed no excuse, they sold & sold like hotcakes. empowah: Now in 2006 you can have a Buick Aurora... but it's called the Buick Lucerne. Mechanically that's what you're getting.

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Also: the steering wheel looks very out of place. Like someone installed one of those dummy air bag covers instead of the real thing. And the bulky oh-$h! handle in the wrong place is very lame... why does the driver need one anyway? I'd hope he'd have something to hold on to already like... umm... the steering wheel.

The G6 just plain looks well planted... although that obviously-FWD-stance is not appealing to me.

Love the WWII annalogy. So in other words Mitsubishi will be selling a big fat ZERO in the USA soon.

There were other clandestine ones that never made it out the Chevy design studios' doors but I think the Z11 was the most famous and relevant one.

From about 1992 to 1997 I thought the Viper was awsome. Then later, esp. after the 2001 Corvette Z06 was released I have not thought highly of them anymore. In the ealry 1990s the Viper was relevant & cool, now it's just kind of a four-wheeled stereotype. The Z06 kicks its ass with one run flat tire tied behind its back....

The Cosworth Escort was the WRX - STi of the ealry 1990s, kicking ass & taking names. Like the WRX the Cosworth Escort was purpose built to battle in the World Rally Championship. It's trully one of the most amazing pieces of automotive craftsmanship in that it can hold its own on a paved circuit or on a mud-sand-snow covered mountain path in New Zeland. I thought since it's featured in Gran Turismo 2 some of you video-game-era kids might know it well from that game alone.

Sounds a lot like Upstate New York, Albany area and such.

Next Sedan deVille? Look at the "porthole" just behind the front wheel just like the new Escalades', the Caddy-like head lights and the egg crate grille which even looks like it has a Creast & Wreath in the center. Perhaps they'll keep the FWD DTS and call this a Fleetwood Brougham or something along those lines. That's the best case scenario. Just like in the 80s & 90s a FWD & RWD big sedan for Caddy so that no one feels left out or has an excuse to not buy a Caddy.

Stuff I've been listening to as of late: - Juno Reactor - Black Eyed Peas - Nikleback - Moody Blues - Rob Zombie But nothing beats the classics like the Beatles, G&R, Metallica, CCR, Alman Bros., Foghat, ZZ-Top, Scorpions, Pink Floyd....

Sometimes late at night I stay up thinking about stuff like that... & also how cool it would be to drive a 1959 Buick from Bar Harbor Maine all the way across the USA to L.A. California via. Detroit, MI & the Grand Canyon.

At any rate it sounds like you're having fun & you're doing your own work. I commend people who turn their own wrenches, esp. on cool worthwhile cars like your F-body versus some 4-banger swap to gain 0.2 liters & DOHC on some riced out Civic. Keep us informed, don't get your license yanked.

I'm also seeing a front end loader, translation: Wrecking Yard/Junkyard Most Junkyards around Mass have a few cars for sale that illegal mexican imigrants have jimmy-rigged together using anything they can find in their yard. One day there's a wrecked 1993 Nissan Sentra sitting in mud with no rims/tires and the trunklid is in the backseat... next week it's sitting on a I-beam stand with hodgepodged blue rear quarters and a red trunklid while a grease-monkey works underneath with a torch & welder A week later some unsuspecting kid buys it thinking it's a really good deal for a clean car with nothing more than some paint issues.

Bigfoot's D!ck

Everytime I start to think I might be a bit too harsh when I say Toyota is useless & lame something like this reminds me just how stuid The Hat&Cowboy brand really is. http://www.carbase.co.uk/image/toyota-logo.jpg Seriously look at it... it's a cowboy in a 10-gallon hat from bird's eye view. What a lame logo for Japanese company that sells pseudo-trucks.

The answer is the Ford Cosworth. The Rally Car Legend. But even the half-assed Cosworth RS2000 had a transverse mounted motor. I mean the REAL Cosworth Escort. One of the best Ford ever made and one with an amazing track record. These little AWD Winged wonders go like a Cheetah that drank a gallon of coffee. http://www.wrc-cosworth.org/pics/pics1/Coche2.jpg http://moto.wp.pl/gid,8102151,img,8102159,...?T%5Bpage%5D=11 The connection was the 1970s Cosworth Vegas and therfore Cosworth was the missing link. :wink:

- 1st gen. Saturn SL? - Cavalier base coupe? - Pontiac Firefly Sedan? - Suzuki Eteem? - Pontiac Sunbird base coupe? Nope? Well I'm tired of guessing, enlighten me.

Stratus = FWD = laugh away!

Better stance than 95% of GM cars made after 1996!!!

Bitchin', Let the good times roll! [Ric Ocasek]

Margret Thatcher on a cold day... baseball, baseball.... Donw boy, down! I'm in love... if you blur your vision you can see a white Impala SS & pewter Caprice Classic. :wub: :wub: Damn even the Boy-ricer wing looks good.

Bimmer: I would rather drink Kool-Aid than eat plain white RICE!