The Cadillac GT4 - A Cadillac Crossover you can't have.... for now

Will be interesting to see how GM/Cadillac if they do bring it here will make it a Performance SUV as the current numbers for China with Hybrid is nothing spectacular. 

I assumed this was China only.  China is toughing up emissions standards this year, and that is a cheap EV battleground there.  This could be a short lived product as an ICE car might be a real hard sell in China in 5 years.  And Cadillac needs to get their American line to EV in a hurry, because the ICE line is dying on the vine, time to scrap CT4, CT5, XT4, XT5, XT6 and start all over for their 4th or 5th brand overhaul in the past 25 years.   

On 6/2/2023 at 8:43 PM, smk4565 said:

I assumed this was China only.  China is toughing up emissions standards this year, and that is a cheap EV battleground there.  This could be a short lived product as an ICE car might be a real hard sell in China in 5 years.  And Cadillac needs to get their American line to EV in a hurry, because the ICE line is dying on the vine, time to scrap CT4, CT5, XT4, XT5, XT6 and start all over for their 4th or 5th brand overhaul in the past 25 years.   

This is probably coming here for 2024. There’s a slot in the product plans for a crossover this size in addition to the XT4.

3 hours ago, Drew Dowdell said:

This is probably coming here for 2024. There’s a slot in the product plans for a crossover this size in addition to the XT4.

Which would be a problem with GM product planning in the past 20 years.  The filled the Saturn and Buick lineups with Opels and Chinese built crossovers, just because they were making them someone else, and needed product for American showrooms, even if they weren't the right product for the brand.  Did the same thing with the Holden Pontiacs.  Just keep rebadging mediocre product rather than building class leading product. 

I start to wonder if GM will be here in 10 years.  I thought their move into EV's would be faster and they could at least somewhat compete with Tesla and beat out the Japanese makes.  Now Mary says they won't make profit on EV's until 2030.  Tesla will be so far ahead by then, it will be too late.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Which would be a problem with GM product planning in the past 20 years.  The filled the Saturn and Buick lineups with Opels and Chinese built crossovers, just because they were making them someone else, and needed product for American showrooms, even if they weren't the right product for the brand.  Did the same thing with the Holden Pontiacs.  Just keep rebadging mediocre product rather than building class leading product. 

I start to wonder if GM will be here in 10 years.  I thought their move into EV's would be faster and they could at least somewhat compete with Tesla and beat out the Japanese makes.  Now Mary says they won't make profit on EV's until 2030.  Tesla will be so far ahead by then, it will be too late.

Wrong, Tesla only in the last couple of years started to make a profit, they lost money hand over fist.

QUOTE of Tesla History:

Tesla was founded in 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning. Elon Musk joined the company in 2004 and became CEO in 2008. Tesla posted its first quarterly profit in 2013 and reported its first full-year profit in 2020.

Ten years till it's first profit and 17 years till it's first year of profits. 

GM announced the BOLT in 2015, started shipping them in 2016, had hiccups no different than Tesla and then announced the Ultium program in 2020, shipped the GMC Hummer and BrightDrop EVs in 2021. They have multiple models coming out this year. 10 years to a profitable year compared to 17 years to a profitable year for Tesla. How is that a bad thing?

As I have told you before it takes time to ramp up production to lower prices and deliver said product. GM is doing it as is Hyundai, Kia, Gensis, VW far faster than Tesla has been able to update let alone deliver new products.

I would be worried that Tesla which is having a demand problem much like Ford is a bigger issue of having to be bought out by someone in 2030 than GM going away from the market place.

13 hours ago, David said:

Wrong, Tesla only in the last couple of years started to make a profit, they lost money hand over fist.

QUOTE of Tesla History:

Tesla was founded in 2003 by Martin Eberhard and Marc Tarpenning. Elon Musk joined the company in 2004 and became CEO in 2008. Tesla posted its first quarterly profit in 2013 and reported its first full-year profit in 2020.

Ten years till it's first profit and 17 years till it's first year of profits. 

GM announced the BOLT in 2015, started shipping them in 2016, had hiccups no different than Tesla and then announced the Ultium program in 2020, shipped the GMC Hummer and BrightDrop EVs in 2021. They have multiple models coming out this year. 10 years to a profitable year compared to 17 years to a profitable year for Tesla. How is that a bad thing?

As I have told you before it takes time to ramp up production to lower prices and deliver said product. GM is doing it as is Hyundai, Kia, Gensis, VW far faster than Tesla has been able to update let alone deliver new products.

I would be worried that Tesla which is having a demand problem much like Ford is a bigger issue of having to be bought out by someone in 2030 than GM going away from the market place.

You are comparing a total upstart to a company that has been around over 100 years.  It should not take GM 10 years to scale production.  Perhaps they don’t want to sell more EVs because they lose money on them.  
 

The Detroit brand gave up on sedans because they couldn’t make money on them.  They will give up on the Trax/Equinox, Escape, Compass etc when the small Tesla Crossover comes and makes them all irrelevant.  Maybe the Ford and GM can survive just selling pickups and full size SUVs but they might be half their current size in 10 years.

2 hours ago, NINETY EIGHT REGENCY said:

 

Lots to like, but why no indications on the chair or lumbar support dial, seems missing printing. I also am a bit surprised by the strong clicking noise on the levers which does not say luxury to me. I do like the two-tone interior look.

Back of those chairs I can see looking so dirty and grimy in no time due to little kids shoes and others just not bothering to car. I do like the black grill treatment and the Cadillac brake calipers. 

Over all not a bad SUV, I can see Cadillac bringing it NA for a limited run.