• Sign in to follow this  
    Followers 0

    Mercedes Considers A Bentayga Competitor, and A Rumor On Hybrids Taking Over Diesels


    • Mercedes Looks At A Competitor to the Bentley Bentayga, Ponders Moving Away from Diesels

    In light of the Bentley Bentayga coming out in the near future, Mercedes-Benz is contemplating whether or not to build a competitor, possibly under the Maybach name.

     

    Andreas Zygan, Mercedes director of development for SUVs tells Automotive News that the demands for ultra-luxury crossovers and SUVs are on the rise. Consider Lamborghini and Rolls-Royce are planning SUVs that will debut in the near future.

     

    "We are looking at everything that is going on with that segment," said Zygan.

     

    "There's an appetite, a market for that. When we get to that point that we expand the Maybach offering -- and we will expand the Maybach offering -- that would be a natural place to go," said Mercedes-Benz USA CEO Steve Cannon.

     

    Cannon points out that the German brand sells a large amount of GL-Class SUV filled with options, along with the G-Wagon.

     

    Zygan declined to comment as to when Mercedes-Benz could make a decision.

     

    Sticking with Mercedes-Benz for another moment, a product planner tells Autoblog the company believes that hybrids will be better than diesels in the long run. This is due to stricter standards in terms of emissions, which is driving up the costs producing a diesel powertrain.

     

    "Yes, diesel is technically complex, and very expensive. The additives to reduce particulate matter are very costly. You'll see more hybrids to meet the changing regulations," said a source.

     

    Source: Automotive News (Subscription Required), Autoblog

    0


    Sign in to follow this  
    Followers 0


    User Feedback


    Emissions regulations will push automakers to do more plug in hybrids.  Doesn't really mean it is better than diesel, or more fuel efficient.  Diesels still are great for highway driving and can rack up lots of miles.  But when cities have sections that are emission free and only electric power cars are allowed in those areas, the plug-in hybrid is going to win out.

     

    Hell yes to a Bentley Bentayga competitor.  Put a Mybach interior in the GL and add the V12, this stuff is already in house, put it to use!

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Ugh can you imagine the overpriced G-Wagon crap they would build to compete? Guess lack of any sense or ability to build something that is actually sensible is missing from this company and the customers.

     

    More money than brains.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    They already make a  V12 G65 that is $230,000 I think.  But the G-wagen is like its own unique thing.  The Bentayga competitor would be based on the GL.  Which being a unibody SUV built on a modern chassis is the more logical move.

    1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    G-wagon is embarrassingly old & outdated, plus no one buys them- no good as a basis.

     

    What makes no sense is if the GL can be tarted up to $230K (??), and the Bentley is rumored to start around $215; they already overlap (tho one at the base and the other at the top end). Assuming the Bentley can tack another 100K to it, how much can MB really add to a $63K SUV and still sell any?? How many are going to willingly spend -say- $180K over a base GL?? Bentley at least (as ugly as it may be) is unique, it's not something obviously based on something that starts 14 price tiers below.

     

    This is starting to sound like Maybach 1.0 all over again; thinly veiled bling packaging that won't move. 

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I think the Maybach GL could be in the $150k range.  When they redo it to GLS, they could push the base price up to $70k, which moves it away from the GLE also.   An AMG G63 is like $125k, better interior and a V12 is easily worth an extra $30k.  They won't get Bentley level prices though.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    I think it is more that people are SUV crazy so they could do a higher end GL just like Cadillac is wanting a higher end Escalade . I don't think either have Bentley cache.

    Mercedes is working on a new V12 hybrid for a sports car, but if they put that onto a GL they could get Bentley money.

    Edited by smk4565
    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    G-wagon is embarrassingly old & outdated, plus no one buys them- no good as a basis.

     

    What makes no sense is if the GL can be tarted up to $230K (??), and the Bentley is rumored to start around $215; they already overlap (tho one at the base and the other at the top end). Assuming the Bentley can tack another 100K to it, how much can MB really add to a $63K SUV and still sell any?? How many are going to willingly spend -say- $180K over a base GL?? Bentley at least (as ugly as it may be) is unique, it's not something obviously based on something that starts 14 price tiers below.

     

    This is starting to sound like Maybach 1.0 all over again; thinly veiled bling packaging that won't move. 

    Nobody buys them?

       

                                                                                                                                      2010      2011      2012      2013      2014

    January                72           100         95           176         122

    February              65           91           78           186         187

    March                  62           99           88           250         299

    April                      68           88           82           188         274

    May                     99           109         68           242         324

    June                      83           146         50           231         280

    July                       48           114         64           230         252

    August                 60           131         143         238         248

    September         52           119         83           137         202

    October               112         80           160         194         233

    November          114         59           251         223         294

    December           84           55           168         199         375

     

     

    For something that is still hand built they pump them out quite successfully.

     

    "54: The number of G-Wagens built each day. Magna Steyr runs 10 shifts to reach that number, which is composed of both consumer and military models."

    Edited by ccap41
    1

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    ^ are those numbers including military-contracted vehicles then? I'm not interested in fleet sales..

     

    To clarify : when I say "no one", it's a mockery of those who like to say "no one is buying the CTS" or "no one buys Cadillacs". I mean; if the term is what those commenters felt conveyed their thought, stands to reason when I use it above it means the same thing to them. ;)

    Edited by balthazar
    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    The above number's are retail sales.

     

    I knew what you meant but they sell them(whether it's miitary or not) as fast as they build them and at 60-70%(retail) of those tuned by AMG, which has a starting price of around 140k.. they're making a killing off of them. I mean the roots of it are nearly centuries old at this point so that's been paid for decades ago.

     

    "Americans are most familiar with G-Wagens as Mercedes-Benz products, but for some time, models sold in Austria – and to the Austrian army, especially – were badged as Puchs in deference to Steyr-Daimler-Puch’s heritage. Additionally, G-Wagens have been built under license in France and badged as both the Peugeot P4 and Panhard P4."

    http://www.automobilemag.com/features/news/numerical-breakdown-the-2013-mercedes-benz-g-class-177361/

     

    It's a pretty interesting little article.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    G-Wagon, one of the oldest Pieces of Sh$t MB still makes and barely sells.

     

    Must be the military contracts and the idiots that pay crazy amounts for them as a few hundred a month does not justify the support.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites

    Important to note that G-wagen sales have been on the rise, form under 100 a month 5 years ago to now over 300 some months.   Still small volume, but at $140,000, there has to be at least $10,000 of profit on each one, probably more.

    0

    Share this comment


    Link to comment
    Share on other sites


    Your content will need to be approved by a moderator

    Guest
    You are commenting as a guest. If you have an account, please sign in.
    Add a comment...

    ×   You have pasted content with formatting.   Remove formatting

    ×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

    ×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor




  • Popular Stories

  • Today's Birthdays

    1. Carguy
      Carguy
      (47 years old)
    2. Elitedragon27
      Elitedragon27
      (30 years old)
  • Similar Content

    • By William Maley
      BMW has been in a holding pattern in terms of producing diesel vehicles for the U.S. as they were awaiting approval from the EPA retesting diesel vehicles. Soon, 2017 model year diesel vehicles will be rolling off BMW's assembly lines and heading off to the U.S.
      "Diesel models will be going into production shortly at our manufacturing plants," said Rebecca K. Kiehne, product & technology spokesperson at BMW of North America to Green Car Reports.
      As we reported back in October, the EPA was holding back the certifications on a number of diesel vehicles as they subjecting them to new tests to uncover possible cheating - thanks Volkswagen. In our report, BMW said they would not start production of the 3-Series and X3 diesel models until the end of the year. Production of the X5 diesel would begin in January. 
      The production restart of BMW's diesels comes at an interesting time. The EPA is currently investigating the 3.0L EcoDiesel used in the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Ram 1500 for possible violations of the clean air act. Over at Volkswagen, the board has given the ok for the $4.3 billion settlement with the Department of Justice over the diesel emission scandal. 
      Source: Green Car Reports

      View full article
    • By William Maley
      BMW has been in a holding pattern in terms of producing diesel vehicles for the U.S. as they were awaiting approval from the EPA retesting diesel vehicles. Soon, 2017 model year diesel vehicles will be rolling off BMW's assembly lines and heading off to the U.S.
      "Diesel models will be going into production shortly at our manufacturing plants," said Rebecca K. Kiehne, product & technology spokesperson at BMW of North America to Green Car Reports.
      As we reported back in October, the EPA was holding back the certifications on a number of diesel vehicles as they subjecting them to new tests to uncover possible cheating - thanks Volkswagen. In our report, BMW said they would not start production of the 3-Series and X3 diesel models until the end of the year. Production of the X5 diesel would begin in January. 
      The production restart of BMW's diesels comes at an interesting time. The EPA is currently investigating the 3.0L EcoDiesel used in the Jeep Grand Cherokee and Ram 1500 for possible violations of the clean air act. Over at Volkswagen, the board has given the ok for the $4.3 billion settlement with the Department of Justice over the diesel emission scandal. 
      Source: Green Car Reports
    • By William Maley
      Volkswagen has been teasing us for a number of years with Microbus concepts that never seem to go anywhere. The latest one is the I.D. Buzz that debuted earlier this month at the Detroit Auto Show. But an insider says this concept will go into production.
      Automotive News Europe spoke to a source at Volkswagen who said, "I know what you're going to ask and the answer is 2022. Diess wants it."
      The second sentence in that quote is important. Diess refers to Herbert Diess, the brand chief for Volkswagen. According ANE, Diess is a big fan of the I.D. Buzz concept in part as the original bus "is a feel-good throwback to the days when VW stood for flower power, not toxic pollutants."
      According to other sources, the production variant of the I.D Buzz will be very close to the concept, minus the retractable steering wheel.
      Whether it actually goes into production or not remains to be seen.
      Source: Automotive News Europe (Subscription Required)
      Pic Credit: NewspressUSA

      View full article
    • By William Maley
      Volkswagen has been teasing us for a number of years with Microbus concepts that never seem to go anywhere. The latest one is the I.D. Buzz that debuted earlier this month at the Detroit Auto Show. But an insider says this concept will go into production.
      Automotive News Europe spoke to a source at Volkswagen who said, "I know what you're going to ask and the answer is 2022. Diess wants it."
      The second sentence in that quote is important. Diess refers to Herbert Diess, the brand chief for Volkswagen. According ANE, Diess is a big fan of the I.D. Buzz concept in part as the original bus "is a feel-good throwback to the days when VW stood for flower power, not toxic pollutants."
      According to other sources, the production variant of the I.D Buzz will be very close to the concept, minus the retractable steering wheel.
      Whether it actually goes into production or not remains to be seen.
      Source: Automotive News Europe (Subscription Required)
      Pic Credit: NewspressUSA
  • Recent Status Updates

    • Drew Dowdell

      It might not be VW's scandal that kills diesel, it might be Mazda. What if you could get diesel like fuel economy from a gasoline engine and none of the diesel emissions issues? Mazda just might have the solution. HCCI is a type of gas engine that can run in certain situations with the spark plugs off, making for very efficient operation.
      · 0 replies
    • regfootball

      THERE IS BIG INCENTIVES ON CHEVY CRUZE RIGHT NOW
      · 0 replies
    • FordCosworth

      Who thinks lending more money to a country that will NEVER be able to repay its existing loans is solid idea? Oh , right the EU of course ...
      · 0 replies
  • Who's Online (See full list)