Chevrolet News:Chevy Estimated Range for Silverado EV Work Truck Raised to 450 miles

[Drew Dowdell]

41 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

While that does sound like a ton of different trims/models, my best guess would be 1-4 of both WT and LT would be solely based on battery and drive wheels.

small battery - 2WD - 1WT/LT

big battery - 2WD - 2WT/LT

small battery - 4WD - 3WT/LT

big battery - 4WD - 4WT/LT

I could also be 100% wrong and it wouldn't be the first time! 

The flexibility of Ultium means that they can offer "city" version of these trucks for a lower price.  If I'm a commercial fleet master and Chevy can offer me a bunch of 2WD work trucks in 2WT trim with a 300 mile range that I never have to fuel and cut my maintenance costs way down, I think I'd seriously consider it.  We have four 2wd V6 Ram Classics at work, but they almost never leave the 11 sq miles of the town. If I stay there long enough, I want to convince the public works director to put chargers in soon. 

GM never said what the lowest range of battery they would build for these trucks would be, it's always been shown as "up to" 400 miles, now 450 miles, of range. 

[Drew Dowdell]

You went to so much effort to construct… what is an opinion… in only the most technical sense of the word. It is almost entirely 💩.

Eventually, cost and physics will catch up with Elon's promises. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

If the Cybertruck has more range

The most range the Model X can manage is 348 miles. The Cybertruck is heavier and has much worse aero. Tesla will need to put nearly 100% more battery in the Cybertruck to get it to 500 miles. Can you imagine the costs of a double stacked Model X battery? It's not going to be the $70k version that gets that range, it's going to be the $130k version. GM will have 450 miles of range available in a truck at the bottom end of the Cybertruck's price range. For $80k, you'll be able to get a Silverado EV with 450 miles of range or a Cybertruck with likely around 350 or less. 

 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

more acceleration

And just like on the Model-X, if you opt for the Plaid, you get a reduction in range... so Cybertruck won't be both 500 mile range and 2.9s acceleration. It will be one or the other. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

FSD

A $15k option. SuperCruise and BlueCruise are like $2,500. 

 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

better handling

It's a truck, who cares? And GM has magnaride, the best shocks on the planet.

 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

tighter turning radius

GM has 4-wheel steering and even their ICE trucks turn well for their size. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

large bed

Already explained why unless it's an 8-foot bed, it doesn't matter. GM and eventually RAM win on this anyway because they have mid-gates.

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

The Model Y outsells the Rav4 now, so much for Toyota loyalty, people fled for the better product.  And that is a case when the Tesla costs a lot more money, imagine if it was dollar for dollar even.

RAV-4 sales are up and there's waiting lists for the Plug-in. If you want to know who the Model-Y is stealing sales from, go look at the BMW and Mercedes sedan sales charts. 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

if they just sell it in the USA and get 20% of the truck market, they can hit 500k units

LOL, they're not going to get 20% of the US market with a $70k base price.  Keep in mind that "the truck market" includes the Tacoma, Ranger, Colorado, and Canyon which base in the high $20k range.  You can buy two Tacomas for the price of one base Cybertruck. 

 

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

Probably no one thought the #1 selling vehicle in Europe would be an American car, because people said Europeans will never buy a car form the USA.  But Tesla proved that wrong.

No one tell the Europeans, they've been buying Fords for years. The catch is that Europeans buy European Fords that are built in Europe.  Tesla's explosion in sales there coincided with the construction of Berlin-Brandenburg.  It also helps that EVs avoid the fuel taxes. The Euro companies are going to catch up to Tesla pretty easily. 

[oldshurst442]

GM also has 

  to counter @smk4565's wild claims of 'if' Cybertruck has better handling.

Musk didnt think of crab walk.

Like I said... He could have had an awesome toy AND and awesome truck had he put SERIOUS thought into revolutionizng American pick-up trucks.  AND...he could have all THAT 2 years prior.  He didnt.  He let his ego and hubris dictate but alas, his mouth writes checks that his a$$ cant cash.  And so GM beat him to the punch...   

So...GM comes along with a HUMMER EV and makes for a BETTER toy.

GM takes this classic bad boy that GM make into a toy

then adds the smaller version of said toy

Both that were HUGE successes I might add and creates to ressurect the EV version

But GM also KNOWS what truck buyers NEED so GM continues on IMPROVING their work trucks and ADDS crab walk TO their work trucks and crab walk now becomes a USEFUL tool in the workplace AND for offroading...  

But GM is not done...  GM out-Musks'  ludicrousness by adding FREEDOM mode

 

Tesla has the right stuff as we speak.  And is selling like crazy.  HAs been selling like crazy since Tesla has been selling EVs. 

But...everybody is gonna be sellin' NEW EVs soon enough.  GREAT EVs.  Tesla has to contend with dated models. Albiet their cars are great technologically, their cars suffer from age and quality.  And Musk hasnt announced ANY 2nd generation of ANY of its vehicles.   Aside from the roadster but roadster's mean nothing when Porsche, Corvette Ferrari and all others are about to enter the EV zone...    Corvette, Ferrari, Porsche ALL have brand recognition and their performance numbers  equal Tesla's whether ICE or EV so moot point...

Tesla has to contend with dated models.  Refreshes wont cut it when BRAND new CUVs await the car buying public.  Soon enough.  

When Tesla gets 2nd gen versions...the COSTS will shoot up again.  You know...R&D.  Renovations to the production factories to assemble the NEW vehicles...   Tesla is making bank now when the cars are old and the R&D has been paid for.   Lets wait to see the costs go up when NEW tooling is required and see what that does to thier BOTTOM LINE.  And they will NEED to spend R&D money for NEW generations because the Model Y cannot sustain 1 million units as NEW FRESH models from OTHER OEMs arrive.  Its the nature of the automotive business...    

Lets talk about THOSE  'ifs' shall we?    

The 'if' Tesla's 2nd generation of Model S will sell as compared to its competion vis-a-vis what the original Model S accomplished a decade ago.   

The 'if' Tesla's 2nd generation of Model 3 and Y will sell as compared to its competion vis-a-vis what the original Model 3 and Y accomplished almost a decade ago.   And will the Model Y BE a best seller?     

The 'if' Tesla has learned to be efficient in producing WITHOUT quality hiccups with their 2nd generation models.

The 'if' Tesla could get investors to invest untold BILLIONS again with a BLIND eye...

 

Edited May 24 by oldshurst442

[Drew Dowdell]

Tesla makes a great powertrain... I'll give them that.

But the "This is nice for a mid-level Passat" interior by Ikea and used bar of soap exterior is what kills it for me. 

It's been proven that you can do aero and look amazing.

[smk4565]

46 minutes ago, oldshurst442 said:

Tesla has to contend with dated models.  Refreshes wont cut it when BRAND new CUVs await the car buying public.  Soon enough.  

When Tesla gets 2nd gen versions...the COSTS will shoot up again.  You know...R&D.  Renovations to the production factories to assemble the NEW vehicles...   Tesla is making bank now when the cars are old and the R&D has been paid for.   Lets wait to see the costs go up when NEW tooling is required and see what that does to thier BOTTOM LINE.  And they will NEED to spend R&D money for NEW generations because the Model Y cannot sustain 1 million units as NEW FRESH models from OTHER OEMs arrive.  Its the nature of the automotive business...    

Lets talk about THOSE  'ifs' shall we?    

The 'if' Tesla's 2nd generation of Model S will sell as compared to its competion vis-a-vis what the original Model S accomplished a decade ago.   

The 'if' Tesla's 2nd generation of Model 3 and Y will sell as compared to its competion vis-a-vis what the original Model 3 and Y accomplished almost a decade ago.   And will the Model Y BE a best seller?     

The 'if' Tesla has learned to be efficient in producing WITHOUT quality hiccups with their 2nd generation models.

The 'if' Tesla could get investors to invest untold BILLIONS again with a BLIND eye...

 

The updated Model 3 is coming soon, Model Y update probably next year.  They look pretty ready to go with this.

And part of the update is improving efficiency in manufacturing.  Tesla is also going to 48 volt electric system which will save weight and cost in wiring harnesses.  This car may actually get cheaper with more content added in.

The next gen Model 2 or whatever it will be called, is only going to use 40% the factory space that a Model 3/Y takes to build, auto factory assembly lines are about 30% inefficient, the paint process is inefficient, etc.  Since Tesla will gigacast and build the car in modules, rather than traditional assembly line, it sucks a ton of cost out, thus you get a sub $30,000 Tesla.

And it goes back to the point I have been making.  What will matter in the EV wars is cost and scale.  No one else has Tesla's scale or vertical integration, and no one else has the cost controls.  Others might get there, but it is a race to get there.  The first 5 or 6 that get there will survive, the rest go bankrupt.

 

[Drew Dowdell]

9 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The updated Model 3 is coming soon, Model Y update probably next year.  They look pretty ready to go with this.

And part of the update is improving efficiency in manufacturing.  Tesla is also going to 48 volt electric system which will save weight and cost in wiring harnesses.  This car may actually get cheaper with more content added in.

The next gen Model 2 or whatever it will be called, is only going to use 40% the factory space that a Model 3/Y takes to build, auto factory assembly lines are about 30% inefficient, the paint process is inefficient, etc.  Since Tesla will gigacast and build the car in modules, rather than traditional assembly line, it sucks a ton of cost out, thus you get a sub $30,000 Tesla.

And it goes back to the point I have been making.  What will matter in the EV wars is cost and scale.  No one else has Tesla's scale or vertical integration, and no one else has the cost controls.  Others might get there, but it is a race to get there.  The first 5 or 6 that get there will survive, the rest go bankrupt.

 

Oh yes, just what I wanted. A 2024 Saturn SC

 

Tesla hasn't gotten Gigacast fully operational and GM, VW, and several others have gotten those presses too.  It's not a technology that will be unique to Tesla for more than a minute. 

There is a big downside to gigacasting though. It greatly increases the likelihood of a vehicle being totaled in an accident. 

[smk4565]

1 hour ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Oh yes, just what I wanted. A 2024 Saturn SC

 

Tesla hasn't gotten Gigacast fully operational and GM, VW, and several others have gotten those presses too.  It's not a technology that will be unique to Tesla for more than a minute. 

There is a big downside to gigacasting though. It greatly increases the likelihood of a vehicle being totaled in an accident. 

I have wondered that about how these giga cast vehicles will be repaired.  Rarely do shops replace quarter panels, and if an inner quarter panel is damaged on a car it is probably totaled anyway.  The rear body panel would be interesting because when cars are rear ended semi-hard, it is pretty common to need a rear body panel and perhaps a trunk floor since that metal folds pretty easily.  If the giga-cast cars can't get a floor or rear body put in and you have to replace the back half of the car then it's totaled.  

But EV's have pretty strong salvage value and would be totaled easier than an ICE car anyway.  I'll tell you what is going to total a lot of car in the future is LED headlights and radar cruise sensors unless that costs comes way down.  I wrote an estimate on a 2023 Hyundai Tucson about a month ago, it needed the headlights, DRL lights, bumper, grille, rad support, AC condenser, radiator and the radar sensor.  Was over $12,000 to fix.  When that car is 4 years old, if it hits a deer and breaks all 4 lights, bumper, grill and the radar, it is totaled for not even being that damaged.

Had a Hyundai Elantra yesterday that hit a deer, this is $9k in damage using recycled and aftermarket parts, it was over $12,000 if using OEM parts, in which case it would have been totaled.  

Toyotas, Hondas and Subarus are cheap to fix, but all this other stuff they are making to be disposable anyway, especially if used car values drop back off and the parts prices stay sky high.

[Drew Dowdell]

12 hours ago, smk4565 said:

Had a Hyundai Elantra yesterday that hit a deer, this is $9k in damage using recycled and aftermarket parts, it was over $12,000 if using OEM parts, in which case it would have been totaled.

Gigapress is going to make that so much worse. A small side impact that would normally just bend some suspension bits and maybe an outer fender can total a Tesla.   Some of the anti-EV people we had around this place were right about cars becoming disposable appliances, but it wasn't the EV part that will bring that on... it's the Gigapress.

[ccap41]

1 minute ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Gigapress is going to make that so much worse. A small side impact that would normally just bend some suspension bits and maybe an outer fender can total a Tesla.   Some of the anti-EV people we had around this place were right about cars becoming disposable appliances, but it wasn't the EV part that will bring that on... it's the Gigapress.

And it's insane that vehicles are, by far, more expensive than they've ever been, to just be disposable appliances.

[smk4565]

I wonder if the shift to EV will also shift what vehicles are most profitable to automakers.  Right now pickups are super profitable, but if these big trucks and SUVs need a 200 kWh battery that costs $30,000 compared to a smaller crossover/sedan with a 67 kWh battery that is $10,000, that is a huge gap to overcome from a profit standpoint.  Perhaps car makers and consumers will shift back to smaller vehicles to get range for less money.  And it might be that an Equinox EV could have better profit margins than a Silverado EV.

[David]

I have posted so many times in so many threads here that the ExoSkeleton Cyber Truck would have been a game changer. 

Instead, the public will get a Honda Ridgeline competing Unibody pickup that will have a fraction of what Musk has promised.

All flash and no real steal!

[Robert Hall]

On 5/26/2023 at 10:52 PM, David said:

I have posted so many times in so many threads here that the ExoSkeleton Cyber Truck would have been a game changer. 

Instead, the public will get a Honda Ridgeline competing Unibody pickup that will have a fraction of what Musk has promised.

All flash and no real steal!

And all the moronic Tesla fanboys and Elon bootlickers are going to ecstatic about it, claiming it's the greatest truck ever built and will outsell all Detroit trucks...

[smk4565]

7 hours ago, Robert Hall said:

And all the moronic Tesla fanboys and Elon bootlickers are going to ecstatic about it, claiming it's the greatest truck ever built and will outsell all Detroit trucks...

It doesn’t have to outsell them but even if they take 100k sales each from Ford, GM and Ram that will hurt their bottom lines.  Because those companies live off pick up truck profits, Tesla doesn’t have to.

[Drew Dowdell]

1 hour ago, smk4565 said:

It doesn’t have to outsell them but even if they take 100k sales each from Ford, GM and Ram that will hurt their bottom lines.  Because those companies live off pick up truck profits, Tesla doesn’t have to.

Again, not only not going to happen at a $70k starting price when F-150 and Silverado 1500 top out at around $80k.

A Cybertruck sale doesn’t mean one of the truck makers lost a sale it can just as easily be an X5.

[smk4565]

On 5/28/2023 at 10:50 PM, Drew Dowdell said:

Again, not only not going to happen at a $70k starting price when F-150 and Silverado 1500 top out at around $80k.

A Cybertruck sale doesn’t mean one of the truck makers lost a sale it can just as easily be an X5.

It could be that Cybertruck buyers never had a pickup or wouldn't otherwise have bought a pickup, butI would guess a lot of the sales would come from other pickup buyers, whether it be full size trucks or even Tacoma and Ridgeline.  We don't know the price of the Cybertruck yet either, but it will have that $7500 credit, so that could help it compete, plus no gas compared to the fuel cost of a 20 mpg pickup.  And we don't quite know how FSD might be monetized, Tesla might be able to sell cars at zero margin if their income comes from FSD, software sales, electricity sales, etc.  Lots of unknowns, but will be interesting how it plays out.

[David]

On 5/30/2023 at 8:04 PM, smk4565 said:

It could be that Cybertruck buyers never had a pickup or wouldn't otherwise have bought a pickup, butI would guess a lot of the sales would come from other pickup buyers, whether it be full size trucks or even Tacoma and Ridgeline.  We don't know the price of the Cybertruck yet either, but it will have that $7500 credit, so that could help it compete, plus no gas compared to the fuel cost of a 20 mpg pickup.  And we don't quite know how FSD might be monetized, Tesla might be able to sell cars at zero margin if their income comes from FSD, software sales, electricity sales, etc.  Lots of unknowns, but will be interesting how it plays out.

A few statements from both Tesla and Tesla Fan sites. These Cybertruck buyers have never owned a pickup truck. The bulk are new to the pickup truck market. Those that had Cybertruck reservations have become Ford or Rivian Pickup buyers as they got there first. 

Course we the public have no real knowledge of how many refunds have been made to date against the Cybertruck nor how many actual reservations Tesla has.

Tesla on their investment day and battery day have clearly stated that they will start with top end fully equipped Cybertruck orders first, so 6 figure trucks that are no different than a GMC Hummer Pickup or the F150 Lighting Launch edition or what is know as the Launch Edition for the Chevrolet Silverado or GMC Sierra Launch Edition. All 6 figure trucks.

GM and Ford like Rivian will get to 5 figure trucks far faster than Tesla which has proven they truly have NO INTEREST in building cheap EVs. I doubt you will see a Cybertruck below 70-80 thousand dollars before 2026 when GM and Ford as well as Ram will be shipping their commercial EV editions.

On top of this, the Cybertruck will be a FAILURE as it is not a Real Truck but a Unibody Honda Ridgeline competitor that will not be able to haul the bulk of todays 5th wheels and other trailers as it was never designed or intended to support the real truck market.

Yes Tesla Fans will buy it, but the bulk of the truck market will not buy Tesla.

[smk4565]

5 hours ago, David said:

A few statements from both Tesla and Tesla Fan sites. These Cybertruck buyers have never owned a pickup truck. The bulk are new to the pickup truck market. Those that had Cybertruck reservations have become Ford or Rivian Pickup buyers as they got there first. 

Course we the public have no real knowledge of how many refunds have been made to date against the Cybertruck nor how many actual reservations Tesla has.

Tesla on their investment day and battery day have clearly stated that they will start with top end fully equipped Cybertruck orders first, so 6 figure trucks that are no different than a GMC Hummer Pickup or the F150 Lighting Launch edition or what is know as the Launch Edition for the Chevrolet Silverado or GMC Sierra Launch Edition. All 6 figure trucks.

GM and Ford like Rivian will get to 5 figure trucks far faster than Tesla which has proven they truly have NO INTEREST in building cheap EVs. I doubt you will see a Cybertruck below 70-80 thousand dollars before 2026 when GM and Ford as well as Ram will be shipping their commercial EV editions.

On top of this, the Cybertruck will be a FAILURE as it is not a Real Truck but a Unibody Honda Ridgeline competitor that will not be able to haul the bulk of todays 5th wheels and other trailers as it was never designed or intended to support the real truck market.

Yes Tesla Fans will buy it, but the bulk of the truck market will not buy Tesla.

The Cybertruck has higher payload and towing than any gas or EV truck in the 1500 class.  Also has a bigger bed than any EV truck.  Sounds more capable than the rivals.

I think Elon’s 250-500k units per year is accurate, especially globally.  The Toyota Hilux is the #4 best selling vehicle in the world this year, outselling the F150.  Lot of truck buyers out there.

 

[Drew Dowdell]

15 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The Cybertruck has higher payload and towing than any gas or EV truck in the 1500 class.  Also has a bigger bed than any EV truck.  Sounds more capable than the rivals.

Duh. That's because it's a 3500-class truck.

In Pennsylvania, that means $202 a year to register rather than $105 for a Silverado EV, along with higher insurance costs.

And AGAIN, it is a paper rating. The Silverado EV is capable of more, but the sticker is only set where it is to let it slip in as a 1500 series truck.  The fact that there will be an option that will exceed the Cybertruck's rating tells us this. It may get slighly heavier duty shocks and springs, but I expect the press release of the Silverado EV HD to be underwhelming in content.

Bed size really doesn't matter in the 1500 class under 8 feet and in the 3500 class, the Cybertruck gets beat by true 350/3500 trucks in payload capacity and bed size.

From a capability standpoint, the Cybertruck is the Nissan Titan HD of the truck world. Not quite a 3500, but priced like a high-end 2500. (Silverado 2500 HD High Country 6.6l Gas = $72,895).

And the range and capability of the Cybertruck that you keep parroting is only going to be for the higher-end models.  It's going to be a $110k+ vehicle to get the 500 mile range. The Silverado EV will get 450 for $30k less.

15 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The Toyota Hilux is the #4 best selling vehicle in the world this year, outselling the F150.  Lot of truck buyers out there.

You can buy 4 Hiluxes for the price of one 500-mile Cybertruck. The math isn't mathing.

 

Edit: I forgot to add - the Silverado EV can accommodate an 8+ foot payload. The Cybertruck can't.  So yea, the Silverado EV beats it there.

[ccap41]

7 minutes ago, Drew Dowdell said:

Duh. That's because it's a 3500-class truck.

Just out of curiosity, how do you know this? Are you getting it based on the payload/towing ratings plus the assumption that it has to weigh between X - X thousand pounds due to size/battery/motors? 

Or have they released an estimated weight already that I just haven't seen? 

[Drew Dowdell]

7 minutes ago, ccap41 said:

Just out of curiosity, how do you know this? Are you getting it based on the payload/towing ratings plus the assumption that it has to weigh between X - X thousand pounds due to size/battery/motors? 

Or have they released an estimated weight already that I just haven't seen? 

From Tesla themselves in a letter to CARB:

Quote

While we have not yet begun production of the Cybertruck, we expect it to have a towing capacity of 7,500-14,000+ lbs., and it should very likely qualify as a “Class 2B-3” medium-duty vehicle.

There is no class "2b" in Pennsylvania. You get bumped into class 3.

But you can also simply math it. A Model-X plaid is 5,390. Even if we assume the Cybertruck will be the same weight (it won't) 5,390 + 3,500 is 8,890. That's Class 2b Federally and Class 3 in Pennsylvania.

But that would be just the 250-mile range model. Expect the 500-mile version to have double the battery of the Model-X Plaid, so an additional 1,200 lbs.  Now it's firmly in Federal Class 3 territory (Silverado HD 3500) and PA Class 4.

And those estimates are based on Model-X weights. Tesla themselves estimate a top curb weight of 6,500 lbs. (5,390+1,200= 6,590)

[smk4565]

The Silverado EV is said to weigh over 8,000 lbs.  And I bet the Silverado is heavier than the Cybertruck because after seeing Munro and Associates tear apart the Hummer battery, that Ultium pack is not weight efficient at all.  Tesla’s battery is more space and weight efficient than Ultium.  

[Drew Dowdell]

31 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The Silverado EV is said to weigh over 8,000 lbs.  And I bet the Silverado is heavier than the Cybertruck because after seeing Munro and Associates tear apart the Hummer battery, that Ultium pack is not weight efficient at all.  Tesla’s battery is more space and weight efficient than Ultium.  

Again. The payload rating is only for the sticker. Federally, the Silverado EV will be in the same class as the Silverado 1500.

The Silverado EV is 233 inches long and the Cybertruck is 231 inches long. But that means because the Cybertruck has a 6.5 ft bed rather than the 5.5 (without midgate) the Silverado EV has, the Silverado EV will have a larger passenger compartment.

While the Silverado EV has a larger "snout" like a conventional truck, look how far back from the windshield and front the driver sits in the Cybertruck.

That's all wasted space.

Giving me the same energy....

 

[David]

17 hours ago, smk4565 said:

The Cybertruck has higher payload and towing than any gas or EV truck in the 1500 class.  Also has a bigger bed than any EV truck.  Sounds more capable than the rivals.

I think Elon’s 250-500k units per year is accurate, especially globally.  The Toyota Hilux is the #4 best selling vehicle in the world this year, outselling the F150.  Lot of truck buyers out there.

 

How do you explain that the Pryamid angle of the truck and especially the bed means there is NOTHING out there from a bed camper to a 5th wheel that can work with this truck as it is NOT standard in anyway. On top of this, basic uses of a truck require a flat bed area which this does not have. Then you also have the same problem as the Rivian, a Unibody bed which means unlike the Ford, you cannot just simply replace the bed when it has damage.

Cybertruck will have the same extreme costs to repair as Rivian. Damage can be small, but repair of this Unibody truck will be expensive.

Rear-Ended Rivian Gets $42,000 Repair Bill | Rivian Forum – Rivian R1T & R1S News, Pricing & Order... (rivianownersforum.com)

[smk4565]

2 hours ago, David said:

How do you explain that the Pryamid angle of the truck and especially the bed means there is NOTHING out there from a bed camper to a 5th wheel that can work with this truck as it is NOT standard in anyway. On top of this, basic uses of a truck require a flat bed area which this does not have. Then you also have the same problem as the Rivian, a Unibody bed which means unlike the Ford, you cannot just simply replace the bed when it has damage.

Cybertruck will have the same extreme costs to repair as Rivian. Damage can be small, but repair of this Unibody truck will be expensive.

Rear-Ended Rivian Gets $42,000 Repair Bill | Rivian Forum – Rivian R1T & R1S News, Pricing & Order... (rivianownersforum.com)

Fun fact Ford discontinued beds for 2015-2021 F150s so if you need a bed replacement you have to buy a used one which is probably $10k because the salvage vendors know you can’t buy a new one.  Ford does still sell the side panels.

 Cybertruck will have accessories, I think there is already a camper add on for it.  
 

The Silverado EV is basically unibody too, it isn’t body on frame it is more unibody on battery pack.

[Drew Dowdell]

55 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

Cybertruck will have accessories, I think there is already a camper add on for it.

That's like selling phone cases before the phone is released.

56 minutes ago, smk4565 said:

The Silverado EV is basically unibody too, it isn’t body on frame it is more unibody on battery pack.

It's both. They have to come up with a new term for it. Technically, it's Unitized Body-on-Frame.  The latest Suburbans and Tahoes are set up like this too. Everything from the front to back on the body is now one welded piece and it all sits on a traditional frame.