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  2. • MB makes no money on EVs, and they are grossly late to the party. Some might say they should have foreseen and beaten Tesla to the punch, or at least answered a 6 yr old product by now. • Their reputation -as you claim it- is built on excess and V-12s, not 84-mile 2-ton compacts. • Are consumers currently rejecting MB EVs suddenly going to go 'Hell Yeah America!' and buy them because they're built here? MB has no EV cred; actually its the opposite. Right now, Ford offers far more TRQ than any Tesla (792 vs. 925). Tho it's possible to exceed that in an EV, it's easier to turn up the TRQ wick in a TD. Also, what penalties any EV truck would encounter under load is unknown, but given those EV cars see with HVA/C useage... it's likely to be a major factor (moreso than 1 or 2 MPG differences focused on here).

  3. Quick Spin: My Test of the Chevy Bolt

    Cmicasa the Great replied to Cmicasa the Great's topic in Chevrolet

    The interior was very nice for what it is.. the car is not supposed to be a luxury vehicle.. in fact.. it may be against the ideals of many of its intended buyers. Personally.. I think Chevy got this one right.. as they got this gen Volt right as well. In other words.. they did their damn research and came up with a winner. My biggest gripe continues to be that this and Voltec is not available in every division in various configs. In truth, it TRULY is the way of the future. It is inescapable . Fossil fuel vehicles as a primary source of transportation will leave this country in a very inferior position in the next two decades.

  4. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    balthazar replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    • Stock price is the ONLY thing keeping Tesla's lights on right now. There is nothing of higher importance to the company- it's a pure revenue generator and the primary one. • Most OEMs don't make most of their components- outsourcing is the way of the industry today. It's part of how Ford, GM & Daimler turn huge profits. • 1 EV that just went nation-wide in sales 3 weeks ago. More are coming. Let's see how the Model 3 launch goes.

  5. Quick Spin: My Test of the Chevy Bolt

    balthazar replied to Cmicasa the Great's topic in Chevrolet

    Ahh, was inter-misled. Bolt interior: Still seeing any Cavalier bits... but it is below that of the Volt's via the pics.

  6. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    oldshurst442 replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    Ride sharing will never be a thing... Just a glimpse of that ride sharing future...UBER's license to operate in London, England was revoked a couple of days ago on the account that https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-09-22/london-authority-revokes-uber-s-private-hire-license Any ride sharing company risks of getting their asses handed to them if they dont co-operate... Any more regs forced upon ride sharing companies and they just become a regular taxi service...and ride sharing companies dont want any regs...so...they continue to operate in that grey zone and London wont be the ONLY city in the world with cojones to stop ANY ride sharing bullshyte! There has ALWAYS been ride sharing...this aint nothing new... New York City is famous for it! And its just a taxi service.. We all know how popular taxi services are outside of NYC... Uber undercut taxi prices...THAT is the ONLY way it became popular...not hard to do when no municipal or State government imposes a HUUUUUGE operator's license fee on Uber drivers as it does on a regular taxi service... Add to that no Uber driver reports income...at least in the beginning...but as governments at any level stop being stupid and naive and blind to false income claims....and will be jailing ride sharing drivers for tax evasion... And no...an app on a smart phone was not revolutionary.... Speed dial does the same thing... A phone call at the taxi center followed by a CB communication between driver and center relayed the same approx. pick-up time... This method still works as I call my food delivery service headquarters and they in turn get info the way I explained...with GPS locations on the truck...but they do call the driver...no the info is not on my smart phone...but yet...this way is how ONSTAR works for destination turn by turn directions, non? Sorry about the above rant... I hates the notion of car sharing...and I ALWAYS come up with a new angle of why it will NEVER work.

  7. Volvo News: 2018 Volvo XC40 Shows How Sweden Does Small

    smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Volvo

    It is bigger than an Encore. The XC60 is pretty similar, though I like the straighter lines and squared off look on the XC40. here is a side by side comparison https://www.motor1.com/news/181177/xc40-versus-xc60/
  8. MB is making a shift to electric in a hurry, so no fear on the gas mileage. An electric truck could make more torque than any of those Cummins or Powerstroke motors. And emissions standards need to be tightened on those too, they should have the same standard as a gas car. Those HD trucks emit a ton of black smoke and exhaust, and they should have to pay the same gas guzzler tax that a car has.

  9. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    If ride sharing becomes a big thing, then annual car sales could go under 10 million, one study showed 5 million compared to about 17 million today. GM and Ford aren't sustainable at 10 million annual sales, that is what happened in 2009. They will have to quickly learn how to make money with car sharing services. Teslas just seems better equipped for the EV-ride sharing-self driving car future that is going to happen. And one day Tesla will have a pickup truck with more torque, more horsepower, and lower operating cost than an F150, then Ford is in trouble. One thing about Ford and GM, they are both short sighted companies, what matters most is the quarterly profit number, their dividend and stock price. Tesla doesn't care about any of that, they care about the future. Ford would not take their $10 billion profit and put it into making an Electric F150, they will milk out the Ecoboost V6 until it is well past it's prime like GM did with the 3800 V6 and Dodge/Chrysler is doing with their whole line up. 1 EV. And GM doesn't make their own batteries either. GM should have 10 EVs for sale by 2025. Maybe they will, but I doubt it.

  10. Quick Spin: My Test of the Chevy Bolt

    ocnblu replied to Cmicasa the Great's topic in Chevrolet

    Balthy I think that is a Volt interior, not a Bolt. And yes, the Model S is showing a gratifying drop in sales year over year.

  11. Quick Spin: My Test of the Chevy Bolt

    Cmicasa the Great replied to Cmicasa the Great's topic in Chevrolet

    No. I have said it on several occasions the Model S' is not even remotely worth the $70K price tag. It really isn't even unique in its styling if compared to any other large car from Chevy.. Mazda.. Honda.. If the Bolt is $45K max.. the the Tesla S should be no more than $55K

  12. Quick Spin: My Test of the Chevy Bolt

    Cmicasa the Great replied to Cmicasa the Great's topic in Chevrolet

    as so often is the case your dumbass is wrong No bitch.. sorry... I wasn't the first person to compare the two and I damn sure won't be the last. The interior was actually decent considering the tech.. and if U really think a Tesla has an interior worthy of a $70K car, then U really are one of the dumbest muthafuckas I've yet to see in this forum. To make it even worse.. I wasn't comparing the Tesla so much as referencing it since they are similar in their implementation of EV tech. From MT: LINK Materials are all price-appropriate and look pulled straight from the cool pages of the Ikea catalog. The ultra-thin front seats are nonetheless comfortable and supportive. The driver gets a reconfigurable high-res 8.0-inch digital instrument cluster, which does a good job at giving the driver only the information needed, such as speed, battery state of charge, range, and power usage, without overwhelming with extraneous information—like what exactly the powertrain is doing at any given moment.

  13. Quick Spin: My Test of the Chevy Bolt

    frogger replied to Cmicasa the Great's topic in Chevrolet

    GM couldn't even figure out his to put the Malibu hybrid batteries under the back seat like just about everyone else has by now...so you are left with a joke of a trunk for a "family" car.
  14. I don't think it's "hiding" anything- it doesn't seem to hurt MB that they list 51 individual models that are rated between 11 and 18 MPG. HD truck owners spend huge coin on trucks; they know what they like and what to expect. Duramax, Powerstroke & Cummins have all been around for going on 2 decades, and while they've gotten better, it's been incrementally. Duramax has gone from the Allison 5 gear auto... to 6 gears. In 17 years. In the same time frame the 1/2T has gone from 4 gears to 10 (2018 Escalade).
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  16. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    oldshurst442 replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    Well... Tesla's, Ford's and GM's stock worth aint really representative of their respective profits... Mark Fields was fired... Investors are questioning Ford and GM's future and both companies are full line car makers... Tesla's Musk gives those investors vapor ware...they applaud... 'Positive mojo' may evaporate. Or it may not... As of now...in the short term at least...Ford NEEDS to get a 100% EV out there....ecoboost is not setting Wallstreet in fire.... At least GM has the Bolt... So...yeah...even with all that profit that the F-150 generates...if the Model 3 makes Tesla profit and then the consequent affordable CUV...Ford maybe need of a Tesla take-over as SMK suggested... Just playing Devil's advocate because I dont believe all the bolded part that I wrote in this last post!!! The other stuff is plain reality of what is going on...
  17. Right, what does the manufacturer have to hide?

  18. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    balthazar replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    Ford has bigger pressure to maintain $10B in profit than Tesla has to SHOW any sort of profit at all?? Investors buy stock for 1 basic reason- to earn a return. Returns are garnered 2 ways- selling at a profit and earning dividends beforehand. Tesla dividend : $0.00. Now, I'm well aware of Tesla's stock chart, frankly it's amazing.... but it's amazing not so much for the price (today: $351), but for the disconnect between it and the company's financial condition. Model X and S are high priced and of small volume. Model 3 is the 'everyman's Tesla'- it's how orders have reached a volume representing nearly 5 years of current Tesla volume- the advertised MSRP. Reasonably achieving a timely filling of those orders in a solid product launch will potentially realize a economy of scale that could turn the blood loss tide into the black. Potentially. If the Model 3 provides the revenue and profit to make the company solid, the stock may double or more. If it does not, and financially the Model 3 is yet another Model S/X... who knows but IMO a lot of the 'positive mojo' may evaporate. Tesla has no cash for a take over. Tesla also doesn't WANT to buy Ford or GM- it goes against their proclaimed mantra. And GM HAS answers already on the market. Bolt has a solid chance at being the #1 selling EV in 2017- a stat I know means everything to you.

  19. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    Though, I don't think it is likely, it is possible that Tesla could buy GM or Ford in about 15 years time. If EV's really catch on and Tesla starts bank rolling money while GM and Ford go into sales decline, Tesla could take them over. And everyone will say that is nuts, but Apple was near bankrupt and losing money 20 years ago, now they are the most valuable company in the world. Amazon was a start up that lost money, now Sears, JCP, Toys R Us, Kohls, Target, Macy's and half the other retailers are all tanking and none of them have an answer.

  20. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    The 2016 Buick Envision had a base price of $42,070, you can google it. A 2016 Enclave was $39,065. So when Buick said they were going to release an SUV in between Encore and Enclave, that wasn't really true, Envision was priced above Enclave for 1 year before other trim levels arrived. The 2017 Buick envision has a base price of $34,065. At least Tesla isn't pricing the Model 3 above the Model S for a year.

  21. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    oldshurst442 replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    Well.. Id say Ford has the bigger pressures! Mark Fields was responsible for some of the most profitable years in Ford's history actually. But...Fields was fired... Fields traveled to Silicon Valley to see what is happening there to at least emulate Silicon Valley thoughts over at Dearborn, even acquired or partnered up with Silicon Valley companies to not fall behind Silicon Valley thoughts...even recruited Silicon Valley philosophers...yet got fired because New York Wallstreet sharks have no trust in the Detroit boys what so ever. Tesla is a Silicon Valley giant...investors dont ask questions...honestly...I dont think they ever will ask questions in the same way those same investors never asked questions on Detroit when Detroit was King of the Technology hill in America once upon a time ago pre-2008!!!

  22. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    balthazar replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    Would like to see the link to the Corporate PR showing there were no base or near base MSRP Envisions at production start-up. And how many pre-orders did Buick take on the announced MSRP of the Envision before showing the vehicle?

  23. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    smk4565 replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    Companies all the time put out higher trim or at least mostly middle trim first. The first year the Buick Envision was on sale it was only the premium trim with a base around $42k. Now they have one for $34k or whatever the base car is. Tesla is doing nothing different, year one they build all technology pack or extended range cars, and year 2 they will have the base.
  24. CR has long been suspect for refusing to lay out their 'formulas' for calculating their rating system.

  25. Quick Spin: My Test of the Chevy Bolt

    balthazar replied to Cmicasa the Great's topic in Chevrolet

    ^ And that's a very valid point; is the Model S interior worth $30K more than the Bolt?
  26. I failed to acknowledge this was a report from CR... Although I wont change my stance on what I wrote....I agree with this totally... I HATE CR... (that emoticon will have to do as there are none for CR...and because while Toyota was recalling their garbage...oil sludged Camrys, cracked and rusted pick-up truck frames, unintended accleration Lexus...CR STILL kept on recommending shytty Toyotas!) Crappy reporting on ANYTHING they test...not only cars...Just utter bullshyte!

  27. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    balthazar replied to William Maley's topic in Tesla

    FoMoCo made $10 billion pre-tax profit in 2016 and miscroscopic Tesla lost three-quarters of billion. You tell me if the same pressures are in play.
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