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  2. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    Yet Tesla’s profits have been what since their inception? That’s a trick question btw as they have not yet made a profit worth noting.
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  4. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    I like the look of the Model S. The re-freshed one with the new nose. The older front end has gotten stale and out-dated. The silhouette is still slippery and sleek. Despite the design being on sale now for 5 years, it holds its own in sexiness. Its got that fast-back look that says "speed"! Albeit Id prefer if Tesla would re-freshen the back end as they did with the front end just a tad just for change's sake. Honestly...there arent any pure 100% EVs out there to truly compare it to in looks still in 2017...(in its price range and EV range and position in the market place...a Chevy Bolt perhaps...but a Chevy Bolt is not a sports sedan in the high end of the luxury world of cars... No...it does not have jelly bean looks... The car is rounded, yes...cars have NOT been square since the 1980s...and even then, rounded cars were starting then...Ford Taurus anyone... The 1990s Caprice was a jelly bean...the Taurus had 2-3 generations of jellybean-ess to them......the 1992 Pontiac Grand Am was totally jellybean...today's cars...not so much... Hell...Id argue...if we gonna go down the jellybean road...that the GM GMT360 SUV is jellybean... (yes...these are Oldsmobile Bravadas in reality...the Chevy version hides the rounded areas, unlike the Oldsmobile versions where Oldsmobile, Buick and SAAB embrace the curves) Actually...the Model S sedan kinda reminds me of the late 1960s GM A-Body fastback muscle car coupes both in silhouette and 3/4 view fastback styling. Obviously I am not trying to say that both cars are the same...but in style, purpose, sleekness the share the same qualities Both even have above the rear wheels, accented fenders... The Olds442 is rounded all around...but NOBODY DARES call the Olds a jellybean shape though...
  5. GM News: GM's CAMI Assembly Goes On Strike

    Not knowing the details of the negotiations, I will abstain from speaking in favor for or against either side. However, even though I know it is normal 'union speak' to use phrases like, "We put our best foot forward, and we don’t believe the company is serious about our membership’s demands", still irks me. Why it irks me is that I don't believe, in full, either side of that statement. I don't believe the union put their 'best foot forward' and I don't think GM didn't take them seriously. I just think both sides need to stop talking to the press and get back to negotiations. Or, moving production, whether it be the 'right' thing to do (from the worker's at CAMI's perspective) may just be what happens.... especially if GM has other facilities that can make up the slack as suggested.
  6. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    He's making a case for name brand value is all. Telsa sells on it's name, Chevy, except for Corvette and Tahoe/Suburban, can't do that. I've never been all that interested in the looks of Tesla, but I like the technology. When I do go to a plug in of some sort, it probably won't be Tesla unless they really change up the styling. Volvo is my first choice as the moment.
  7. Yeah....well...I personally wouldnt trust any car coming from Germany either...some pretty shady stuff coming outta Germany too ya know... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/03/04/global-recall-1-million-mercedes-cars-fire-risk-could-include/ http://www.autonews.com/article/20170303/OEM11/170309916/mercedes-to-recall-1-million-newer-vehicles-globally-after-51-fires https://www.autoblog.com/2017/03/04/million-mercedes-benz-recall-fire-risk/
  8. Beautiful Cars Appreciation Thread

    Nice Silver Streak Pontiac with Captain!
  9. Ford News: Ford Plans Downtime At 5 North America Plants

    Cruze is probably cheap enough to buy new with incentives.
  10. They supposedly built 8 cars in 2014...so yes, the product exists, but in insignificant numbers...again, nothing compared to the output of a real car company.
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    excitement
  12. Kia News: 2018 Kia Rio Begins At $14,795*

    Yep, just not in the US....well, not sure about the AM radio part....
  13. Ford News: Ford Plans Downtime At 5 North America Plants

    Yeah, it worries me a bit. Was looking into a older Cruze (15-16) to run in our fleet while we save for a larger SUV (really don't want to lease one), and compacts used are pretty cheap right now. Would like a southern one (no rust), but I worry it could be a flood car....
  14. Germany has a long history in the auto industry...Croatia--none.... I'm skeptical of some tiny company with no track record from a place with no reputation for autos....
  15. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    Tesla's profit point is difficult to pinpoint, yes. But obviously it's well above the current scenario of losing three-quarters of a billion /yr. Adding a much lower priced model with a margin so thin they company decided to bar selling at the advertised base price for the short term is NOT a good sign. Further, continued development on other vehicles (Model Y, semi, small truck) will just continue to suck capital. Where did you get this 'information'?
  16. Random Thoughts Thread

    ^ Looking to get new tires for my Jeep before winter..the original Goodyear Forteras are pretty worn at 30k (pretty soft tires I've read). I want something that will be good in NE Ohio winters... will have to look into the Michelins..was thinking about Goodyear Wrangler Duratracs also. In 170k on my old GC IIRC I had 3 sets of Goodyear tires--one set of Forteras and 3 sets of Wranglers, and a set of BF Goodrich Long Trail (the last set, bought in AZ and never in snow). Got the BFs at Discount Tire in Phoenix, had great service and prices.
  17. Ford News: Ford Plans Downtime At 5 North America Plants

    Yes they are all totaled by insurance companies, but we do not know if they will all get replaced. Also, I wonder how many will end up back in the Title Ghost pool and end up out of state after being dried out as a low miles car sold to some unsuspecting person because of the title wash. Buyer beware!
  18. Random Thoughts Thread

    Put New Tires on the Escalade and Trailblazer today. Michelin Defender LTX M/S Talk about a Quiet tire and looks sharp. Really like the quality. $929.15 installed on the Escalade $982.14 installed on the Trailblazer Got $140 in rebate visa cards. Free installation, road hazard warranty. Gotta say Discount Tire is beating Costco on price, service and customer experience. Loving it!
  19. Ford News: Ford Plans Downtime At 5 North America Plants

    I really really really really really really really really really dislike it when people blame GM and Ford for poor planning in terms of inventory. They are the only two full like manufacturing companies for vehicles in the US. A huge thank you to lengnert for a very rational post. The crusher will be very busy. Well, most of them are long, black and slow moving so there is at least a slight resemblance to the results of constipation.
  20. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    Guess I have to disagree as Tesla to me is not a Gotta Have it Item. Exterior is boring, Interior is just as boring. They do nothing to make me want to have their products. Technology is cool and I love it, but I will wait to some other company builds an EV that I gotta have. I find the Bollinger B1 SUV a better EV SUV than Tesla. That is probably due to the more brick offroad look and functionality than the Tesla.
  21. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    We don't really know where Tesla's profit point is at. If the Model 3 gets the company profitable look out. And another thing to consider is Tesla has the badge not he front to get people to buy their cars. This is something that Nissan, Chevy, Ford, VW, etc don't have. A car that costs $40k to build, Chevy would have to sell at $40k, Tesla could sell that same car for $50k because it says Tesla on the front, and Tesla is the gotta have product to use a Bob Lutz term.
  22. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    Im not allowed to order Rwd anything anyway...
  23. You Have Until Sunday To Order A RWD Model S

    The question is, is the slicing off of the bottom S models indicative of a steady march upward on the Model 3 price? We already know there's no profit at the $35K level... maybe not at $40K. If the 3 is meant to save the company, will it have to primarily be $45-55K or more?
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  25. A company's reputation is built not on press releases and twitter feeds, but product. Despite some folk not believing the car or the country it comes from is "real", both do exist. Germany & Croatia share the same longitude.
  26. Random Thoughts Thread

    A smart man. That era 7 series was a terrible car, look at how ugly it is. The 90s 7-series actually looks newer if you put those 2 side bye side.
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