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The "motherland," meaning WESTERN Europe. (I will have numerous February spotting photos ... once I get my head organized).

I've been away for a while ... far away. Lately, it seems like we've been living in a James Bond movie. But maybe that's always been the case.

mercedes might not have to worry about the EQS matching the IC s-class volume; the s-class sales in the US are down to 58% ('21) of what they were just 7 years earlier. If it keeps falling, the EQS won't have to rise much for the 2 volumes to meet. What's interesting to me is- all the pre-production press on the EQS showed the full-width dash with the 3 screens behind it. Yet when I looked at a couple online local to me, they had a markedly different & cheaper-looking interior. What's the story there? That bottom one is awful!

So daimler is going to R&D / engineer a eqs, refine it for 8 years, then drop it as a failure? You’re dreaming- the eqs IS the future s-class. Get use to the ‘best jellybean’ look.

Come 2028 or so the S-class will go electric, so there won't be a need for an EQS, so at that point I hope they drop this styling language in favor of their traditional styling. And then so on with the E-class, C-class, etc.

Rivian has announced MSRP price spikes on both the R1T and R1S vehicles, of 17% and 20% respectively, citing "inflationary costs". https://finance.yahoo.com/news/rivian-hikes-vehicle-prices-20-011627886.html For the R1T, that mean the originally-announced $67,500 base price will rise $11,475 to $78,975. For the R1S, it's original $70,000 tag will jump $14,000 to $84,000. Apparently effective immediately, this INCLUDES vehicles already ordered. Customer backlash is already occurring, with buyers threatening to cancel orders. With no dealer network to compete on pricing, this is your new 'no-haggle' mandatory base price. Just don't call it 'bait & switch'. ?

Today Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares asked people to join him in embracing a new mindset. Expand one's vision, breaking the limits and seek to transform all facets of one's mobility for the betterment of families, communities and the overall society in which we live and operate. Stellantis will be an industry champion in climate change mitigation with a reduction of carbon create by 50% by 2030 and becoming net zero carbon emission by 2038. Leadership at Stellantis have committed to having 100% of European sales and 50% of United State sales to be battery electric vehicles (BEVs) by 2030. This will be done by having more than 75 BEVs and global annual BEV sales of 5 million vehicles by 2030. The start of DARE FORWARD 2030 is to introduce the Jeep brand's first-ever fully electric SUV. This fully electric Jeep will be launched early 2023, expanding the brands reach globally and taking the next step of achieving the Jeep brand's vision of Zero Emission Freedom. More information on this Jeep BEV will be released in the coming months. Stellantis is proud to preview the new RAM 1500 BEV pickup arriving for sale 2024. Fueled by innovation and engineering excellence with the latest in technology, the RAM lineup will offer from the most affordable BEV pickup to the high-performance and luxury. An extensive product portfolio of incredible options to meet the customer's needs. Stellantis aim is to be #1 in customer satisfaction for our products and services bringing exceptional solutions to retail to professional customers. To achieve this, it starts with having exceptional people per their video: Stellantis+New+Talent+-+with+subtitles.mp4 Operational excellence, speed of execution and a breakeven point of less than 50% of shipments will remain their hallmark. Stellantis plans to double net revenues by 2030 and sustain double-digit adjusted operating income margins through 2030. Stellantis+Five+MegaTrends+-+with+subtitles.mp4 Dare Forward 2030 Key Facts Here is how Stellantis sees their iconic house brands and pricing: Stellantis plans to grow their premium and luxury brands from current revenues and profits to be 100% BEV sales with 4x revenues and 5x profits of today. This will be accomplished by an aggressive roll out of the BEV Portfolio: The U.S. market will see an aggressive full speed BEV roll out of products that cover 25+ models between 2024 and 2030, a six-year period seeing 4 models and in some cases more per year. Stellantis has made it very clear that their global carbon footprint will change immensely to help mitigate climate change. One area that many say is not sustainable is that due to BEVs being much less maintenance is the lost jobs by moving away from ICE. Stellantis as does many OEM auto companies see new job creation and retraining that embraces new jobs. 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Here we have software as a core to the global Stellantis auto family and as a core focus the following: While automated self-driving, data as a service, fleet services and the venture fund are additional areas covered by the DARE FORWARD 2030 plane, the focus of this writeup is on the autos themselves. If you wish to look at these areas, click on the following link: 2030 STRATEGIC PLAN DESIGN (stellantis.com) Stellantis also covered the value the global brands would bring to the table via e-commerce, holistic and digital marketplaces, as this focuses on their 7 accretive businesses: CIRCULAR ECONOMY DATA BUSINESS MOBILITY FINANCIAL SERVICES PRE-OWNED CARS AFTERMARKET COMMERCIAL VEHICLES Market share growth across all global regions was also covered in this press release, as were financials and can be viewed at the strategic plan link above or at the bottom of this writeup. Stellantis closed out their virtual press event with the following slides: Keep in mind that as the auto industry moves forward, technology will be changing at a rapid pace not seen in the ICE auto industry in decades. Part of Stellantis plan is to go beyond where current BEV's are at by starting with Solid-State batteries and their partnership with Factorial. More can be read about Factorial here: Dare Forward 2030: Stellantis’ Blueprint for Cutting-Edge Freedom of Mobility | Corporate Communications | Stellantis Long-Term Strategic Plan | Stellantis 2030 STRATEGIC PLAN DESIGN (stellantis.com) Jeep® Brand Reveals Image of First-Ever Fully Electric Jeep SUV | Jeep | Stellantis View full article

Wonder if this could be the second EV that Jeep is supposed to have out by 2023? We know this is coming as the first EV for Chrysler.

Welcome to the real world! How Far, Far, away have you been?

Maybe a $75,000 car, but I agree, the EQS is way overpriced for what you're getting, and the look is so minimalist cheap looking. This is NOT "The Best or Nothing" Truly Nothing, I have to expect that these cars will end up with heavy discounts on them like the S-Class has been done to move them. Another reason to NOT HAVE BEIGH CARPET, Really, used cardboard boxes on the floor to keep them clean, they should have left the plastic covering on till the auto was sold and delivered to the customer then. So, ridicules! At least the Mercedes dealer left the plastic on the floors to protect the carpet till sold.

WOW, that is freaking ugly in that bottom photo. This is from my local dealership that has Five in stock, all 450 priced from $99,995 to $120,210 450 being sold as used with 1,259 miles on it Used 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ for sale in Lynnwood, WA 98037: Hatchback Details - 620699754 - Autotrader New 450 $120,210 with zero miles on it. New 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ for sale in Lynnwood, WA 98037: Hatchback Details - 624896930 - Autotrader This 450 actually seems to have the full 3 screens under that big screen. $117,655 New 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ for sale in Lynnwood, WA 98037: Hatchback Details - 620699757 - Autotrader Then you have the $105,500 which seems to have a weird metal or plastic dash? New 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ for sale in Lynnwood, WA 98037: Hatchback Details - 625998743 - Autotrader Final new is $103,360 with the same horizontal wood dash but in white interior. New 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ for sale in Lynnwood, WA 98037: Hatchback Details - 627364634 - Autotrader Interesting observation is that my cell phone takes better pictures than the ones in these posted ads by Mercedes. For selling "The best or nothing" one would think Mercedes would have a standard on how the autos should be represented online in actual picture format. Not impressed with the EQS that will eventually replace the S-Class for good. Mercedes needs styling help bigtime.

Well, GM at least is FAR leaner than they were in 2008, so that alone (even if the mindset / SOP was the same) should preclude over-production.

While this is bad for us if we were BUYING a new vehicle, it does improve the chances that GM and Ford and (what's left of) Chrysler will still be around. Remember how GM and Ford and Chrysler were before 2009? Constantly building too much and moving the metal and perennial discounts. That is truly no more. At least Build to Order will make it easier to BUY what we want. . . . pity about the higher prices.

No worries: with daimler’s track record on BE’s, the S won’t be a single all electric model until ten years after it should’ve been (so; 2038).

That's called an E-Class so there was literally no reason for Benz to make such a hideously boring car on the outside, in the case of their EV sedans. I would honestly be pissed if I were a current Benz owner, looking to make the move from my ICE "Best or nothing" to something that absolutely does not look like the "best or nothing". This would literally be unacceptable from any other make so Benz does not get any kind of pass for screwing up the FIRST thing someone sees when they hit their dealership lots. If you took the Benz emblem off that grill, you would never know it was a Mercedes and that is a problem IMO.

When you enjoy lighting your money on fire.

No amount of tech goodies and supposed range and performance will cover up that hideous jellybean undercover VW CC look (and I literally just saw an EQS at the MB dealership in Greensboro two days ago). Rabid fanboys aside, no one in their right mind would say that Benz put out their best design for this.